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March 23, 2009

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You know the old saw, "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me."  Turns out, that's not quite true.  Anyone who spends time on the Internet has seen some major negativity from vulgar comments to angry blog posts, and all that nastiness can affect one deeply.  And with the crummy economy, crooked companies, and wars on two fronts, do we really need to add to all the pessimism in the world?  Maybe we should use our little corners of the Web to spread sunshine and happiness.  So, Rebecca Woolf of Girl's Gone Child asks, "How do you retain your optimism online?"
 
Do you think it's the responsiblity of the blogging and social networking communities to not "go negative?"  How do you keep optimistic in the face of all the hostility found on the Internet?  And do you think people are too mean online (take our poll!)?  Join the Momversation by commenting.

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Fri, 2009-04-17 16:29

 

In my blog, I've chosen being positive from the very beginning of writing it. But I've noticed one strange thing: all my optimism goes to a post and after that I have nothing left for life! I can step aside and take a positive and ironic look on my everyday routine only with a keyboard in my hands... But when I go back in my shoes of doing endless boring things, I'm getting irritated, annoyed, depressed... Negative! All my "floweres" are in the blog. And "garbage" is the only thing left for the offline world...

Sat, 2009-03-28 12:50

 

On the other hand, should I not write what I think because it might hurt someone?

Should I start self-censoring because someones feelings got hurt off my blog?

Works both ways I guess...

Wed, 2009-03-25 13:38

 

someone is going to be offended no matter what you write. if you don't want to offend anyone, then keep your mouth shut and your fingers in your pockets.

you can please some of the people all of the time, or all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Thu, 2009-03-26 05:33

 

Unless you're targeting someone or being an outright blowhard, I don't think you should censor yourself to protect feelings. People choose their own responses. I'm adamant about this. They can dismiss your opinion as opinion, if they want to.

Wed, 2009-03-25 20:58

 

I agree that in the news, on the internet, and out in the world, there seems to be more bad news than good. You really have to look hard to find an uplifting story. It's funny that you chose this topic right at the moment when my friend just started a new blog filled with feel-good, inspiring stories. If you're interested, take a look: http://dailydoseinspiration.blogspot.com/.

Wed, 2009-03-25 11:27

 

i added that link to my blogroll! thanks!

Wed, 2009-03-25 12:01

 

Yeah...what Erin said!

Kris7

Wed, 2009-03-25 10:09

 

yes, but MY name is erin...

Wed, 2009-03-25 16:47

 

I think she knew that and was joking. :-)

Wed, 2009-03-25 20:56

 

i haven't read all the comments, so if i repeat something...sorry.

so i have battled with major depression pretty much my entire life. being positive about anything, is a real challenge. my automatic response to "you have such beautiful hair!" is "yeah well it took me two hours to make it look this nice." someone comments "you don't look like you've had three children!" and i reply with "you haven't seen me naked". i had a friends grown daughter who i hadn't seen in a couple of years tell her mom "wow! erin looks gorgeous! i mean she looks SO amazing!" and upon hearing about this, my first thought was "how bad must i have looked before?". so, yeah, i have negativity seeping through all of my large pores. <---see!

so anyway. i realized this and decided a change had to be made. it has been a difficult struggle, and while i still think "oh, well you haven't seen me naked." i reply with "thank you!". sometimes the negativity comes out, but i'm working on it.

as for the negativity of others...i try to ignore it. unless you are being negative about my children or you are my mom, i generally let it slide because, quite frankly, i have an entire room full of negativity, and yours doesn't fit.

the news of the outside world is depressing. i stopped reading cnn.com religiously when they made an entire story about how one of the victims of a plane wreck was a six-week old baby. seriously? was that something we really needed to know? sure, mention it when discussing ALL of the victims in the story about the wreck, but make an entire story how ONE of the victims of a freak accident was a six-week old baby? come on!

because of the news medias desire to make us as depressed as possible, i ignore what i don't need to know. i know about the economic downturn. however, me stressing about it, is not going to make the economy magically better. i know enough to know how much it will affect me and that's it. i keep the ends tied in my own home, i try to teach my children about good money management and i go on with my life.

i have enough of my own demons that are negative and attempt to bring me down everyday...i don't need yours too. *insert rude hand gesture here*

Wed, 2009-03-25 07:40

 

Ha! I say the same thing when people say I look good for having had four kids. Sure do love clothing!

Wed, 2009-03-25 20:54

 

I'll tell ya, I am so happy to NOT be back in Southern Cal during these times (I was born and raised in So Cal). In Hawaii people are more friendly in general. And I love it. They help each other out, strangers - but really, no one is a stranger. It's such a small place, even if you live clear across the island, that you WILL see that person again - the one that you stared at blankly while pumping gas and didn't crack a smile - yeah, they will end up being your neighbors cousin or the secretary at the vets office in the other town and you will feel like a total ass for not acknowledging their presence.

And we too have so many people that are visitors or come and live for a short while and then leave Once people see that you are still around a year after they first saw you, it's a whole new world. People are even nicer, they know you, you are now part of their ohana (family, community)

My parents just moved back to Orange County from Hawaii and say it is beyond depressing. I can only imagine - ppl didn't chat when times were good. Now they are losing their homes, their cars - their identities - as those "things" were who they are. They are lost.

Gotta run and get to bed, but, I think I have the answer! You all need to move to Hawaii! Stay a while and we will all live happily ever after :)

Wed, 2009-03-25 01:51

 

growingupartists:

Haven't seen Brad Pitt.

Although STL is all abuzz about George Clooney's new movie being shot around here. He may be easier to run into (not that I'm trying).

Generations went into creating that sweet little town and I know we can't just hurry up and recreate the loyalty that comes from history. But I wish so much that we could merely acknowledge each other...and not just to participate in a comparison war ending with a tattle to the home owner's association (ugh). Patience would be huge step.

BTW, I wasn't trying to slam people who were raised here. It's just that newcomers outnumber them greatly.

Kris7
Working hard at www.sccworlds.com

Tue, 2009-03-24 20:10

 

I think people everywhere are more negative. I had a similar experience as nicnicnic. I also was used to more comfortable relationships. I can't get over how people coexist without ever saying as much as "boo" to each other. I'm sorry, if someone is looking over the same peaches I am in the produce section, I burst with conversation. I can't help it.

I liken our community as kind of a county-wide motel. People move here, stay a little while and then move on. There is only loyalty between the stray few who happen to have known the area 20 years ago when there wasn't much more than lone gas stations here and there.

That's why I started my "place blog" community website--with the hopes of connecting us. The good news about the sucky housing market is that maybe some people will actually stay where they are a little longer (if they can).

Here is an article I wrote soon after yet another snubbing incident. http://tinyurl.com/d92yef

Oh yeah...think happy!

Kris7
Working hard at www.sccworlds.com

Tue, 2009-03-24 14:32

 

I, personally, did not really get into this topic all that much either. But I'm also not hounded, like so many other mommy blogs are, by trolls or firestarters, so perhaps I have very little room to speak.

But, in general, I don't think it's that people online are too negative. It's just that proportionally, we're hearing and seeing and reading more comments and responses from people because of technology than we had ever been privy to in the past. It's just a matter of numbers, really.

There's not an increase in the number of people who are inherently negative and seek out others upon which to unleash their bile. They just have a global audience now instead of just bitching to the cashier at the grocery store or the barista down the street.

And I think I would almost rather see it happen virtually than have them lashing out at people in the real world. So, if this forum in any small way allows those types of people to vent their frustrations and offload a little steam, maybe it's helping in the long run.

Maybe Snapped! and Nancy Grace run out of things to talk about.

Maybe more women bond and support and stand up for something or someone in a way they might not have felt capable of doing at the grocery store or Starbucks.

And maybe once the negativity runs its course, they walk away with a point or two to ponder, and then maybe, just maybe, they turn around and stand up for someone else.

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Tue, 2009-03-24 11:27

 

Think of how much easier it is to write something that's critical instead of something that praises. Just today I read a post that was criticizing a magazine for photoshopping a photo of a celeb. The post was somewhat funny and it was alllll snark. Problem was, there was nothing to the criticism. There was barely a difference between the two photos, honest. It was like the writer was just looking for an excuse to be funny/snarky. (Except that all the snark-style writing was overused.) And then what did the commenters do? All but me agreed with her because she was a well-known blogger.

I wrote a post today about Foy Vance. Writing-wise, it was one of my better posts. But because it was so positive it was hard to comment on. I've notice that when the meat of my message is, "This is great/makes me so happy", I get very few comments. When my message is, "I don't like this" I get four times as many.

Wed, 2009-03-25 20:51

 

i gotta say, i'm not really feeling this episode. maybe that's because i don't find the internet inherently negative. if you're like my neighbor who scours websites to find cute photos of puppies to send on to friends, then the internet is the happiest place on earth. if you cruise websites looking for doom and gloom news, then it's sadness maximized. that's the beauty of the world wide web -- it's got a little something for everyone, whether it be happy, sad, irreverent, incendiary, informative, pornographic, funny, interesting or dull. it's the bathroom wall. and god bless it! it's fabulous.

Tue, 2009-03-24 09:00

 

I completely agree with you, SomethingGirl; I'm tired, tired, tired of signing onto the internet to 'relax', only to find myself reading nothing but negativity. Why can't we choose to focus on life's positives...the surprises and the blessings... in the interest of creating our own happiness? Online AND offline.

Indeed, it is easier to be funny by being snarky, but in the end, I'm always left with a bad taste in my mouth towards those posters. Is being funny more important than being kind and nonjudgmental?

Tue, 2009-03-24 08:13

 

Felicity!

I was scrolling through the comments and had to quick scroll back up when your comment registered about "signing onto the internet to 'relax'".

I'm trying to remember the last time I did that, because I sign on to work! That hit me as a tremendous shift from seven years ago when I signed on, not to the Internet, because who knew what the Interwebnet was then?, but to my blog. Back then I signed on to write. Later, when I realized people were reading, I signed on to interact. Still later, when it became foolish not to accept advertising because the traffic was huge, I was still signing on to write, but also to work. Now, it's my only source of income, and an obsession. I feel as though the time I spend away from the computer is lost income, or neglecting the search for income. I'm starting to fantasize about a job that paid just enough to live on, and that ended at five and on weekends.

I sign on to my kids to relax, or sit with a guitar or a book! The Internet is like a fire hose to me. It's ok when I'm wielding it, until I get tired, but overwhelming to get in front of it!

Thu, 2009-03-26 10:06

 

I also hate that it's not kosher to celebrate one's blessings. Like, if I marvel in my Daily Gratitudes about how smart my son is (he's 9 and blogs at http://www.enrichedwithvitamins.com) you just know there's going to be some people who think I'm being all Seriously So Blessed! (Google it). Like, I'm ACTING like I'm grateful when really I just want to brag. But when I brag, you know it. I just finished tweeting on Twitter: "DID SIMON JUST AGREE WITH ME AGAIN?! I have AWESOME ears. I totally thought it sounded "cheap" too!!!!!" See? I'm not subtle.

We should be able to celebrate our joys as well as our sorrows or our blogs are not complete representations of human beings. I really do feel like it's not PC to be happy or grateful but maybe that's just because people don't know how to write such feelings without being utterly boring?? I don't know.

Wed, 2009-03-25 19:54

 

How do I retain my optimism online? I've thought about this topic A LOT.

When I started my blog last July I named it Becoming Something with the idea that it would be about me becoming something BETTER but with the realization that sometimes I falter and I end up in a rut where I'm just becoming SOMETHING. Something annoying, something lazy... whatever.

I decided early on that I didn't want my blog to be a ventathon. I don't really care to read other people's negative ranting so why would they want to read mine? But then it creeped in a little bit because I have been STRUGGLING with hypothyroidsim and it leaves me feeling horrible approximately all the time.

I've recommitted myself to saving my venting and complaining to Facebook, where my real friends, the only people who care about all the unhappy stuff, can read it and comment and comfort me. And I'm saving my blog time for information, inspiration and fun.

Early on I also implemented Daily Gratitudes, to keep myself in check because I know I have the tendency to complain. Even on the crappy days, I try to come up with 5 things for which to be grateful and I try to make them different. I'm surprised at how many people have commented that this is their favourite part of my blog. EVEN THE CRABBIEST PEOPLE I KNOW. They say it's their favourite part. One friend picked up the idea within her Facebook Notes. A few people have started the same practice on their own blogs. It's an easy way to end a post on a positive note without having to wrap it up in some cliche "moral of the story" ending.

I'm going to be doing a feature where I add the Daily Gratitudes of other people to my post, every Sunday, linking to their blogs. If they've decided to add this same feature to their blogs.

Also, I decided a couple of days ago to devote every Sunday (when I'm always home and not really busy) to this idea of Becoming Something. I'll write something related to self-improvement or world-improvement.

As far as Twitter goes, I've noticed that humour does rule the day and it's easier to be funny when being snarky. It's much harder to be funny and pleasant. It's the reason why I don't read a lot of popular mom blogs. They often have a negative tone and it's such a downer. Name five popular mom bloggers whose blogs are mostly perky and positive.

Tue, 2009-03-24 07:43

 

Jessica! That was so kind and generous of you to say! I'm floored. Especially since you're so good at the biting wit and teasing. Also, you never commented on my blog until recently.

I'm glad I came back to check what was goin' on. I'll be adding this to my "ego boost" folder on Gmail. :-) You're so sweet.

Actually, after taking some cow adrenal, among other things, for a few days, I feel fantastic! Instead of taking four hours to wake up, it only takes a few minutes! Imagine!

Wed, 2009-03-25 19:19

 

Ha! More people should have one. Highly recommended. The internet hates us and wants us to commit suicide, remember? An Ego Boost folder helps to minimize the damage. I think for Dooce it's called "opening up comments".

Thu, 2009-03-26 11:26

 

I follow many many many blogs - so when I log on to read them, I know what to expect. I know I'm not going to get a bunch of negative crap dumped on me because I know who I read. And negative and positive asside, I read a blog if it's interesting or entertaining. I love blogs that (Like you said, Rebecca) uncover the flowers in the garbage - who find something funny in something that is usually frusterating or complicated.

I do love the idea that happiness is contagious though!!!

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:59

 

Hmmmm. I feel like somewhere along the line cynicsm got mistaken for verve. And negativity got mistaken for intelligence. I feel that we just need to face our quirky realities, whatever they happen to be at the moment.

Rebecca, I agree with you that I have an obligation to spread positive energy. That idea is very concrete to me. However, I never want to sacrifice my genuine experience, which isn't always positive (to say the least). & I did very much appreciate your last post about it. It was optimistic, but more than that, it was warm.

Hey, here's an idea: how about we be vulnerable. You know, real. Through and through. Because only people that don't feel very safe around one another intimidate each other with preconceived notions of how they "should" feel or be. Not that it's bad to do this; it's just, maybe there's a better way.

growingupartists, i love your articulateness which reads like a stream-of-consciousness poem.
Now, I know you're not really apologizing for that, right????

Viva la mama,

Cynthia
http://www.therichmama.com/

Mon, 2009-03-23 16:32

 

Well, here's my two cents. Into what category do most of the things you look for on the Internet fall? News and Current Events, right? And, call me a pessimist, but news = doom and gloom. Especially right now. Also, I don't think it's any more doom and gloom than it ever was in the past, but the Internet allows for a wider dissemination of information. That's kind of the burden we have to carry with this awesome technology.

As for the negative comments, blogs and messages, I think it's human nature to, when something upsets you, go on a tirade. Especially if you are given the benefit of anonymity. The Internet is giving people a chance to take part in discussions on topics they probably otherwise would have known nothing about. So, they comment on it, and typically in a pretty heated fashion. But, also keep in mind one person's negative (or "wrong") response is another's positive (or "correct") response. I'm very guilty of having posted really negative comments on blogs and message boards. But only if I feel really strongly, and typically only if someone has been rude to me or towards my side of the issue. People probably react to rudeness more than are just outright rude. Of course, someone has to be the first rude one, right? I'm not sure how many of those types are out there...

Now, all of that said, I make a conscious effort to keep my own blog free from negativity or highly controversial topics that are likely to bring out the worst in people. Some days that leaves me high and dry creatively, but so be it. I'd like to change the dynamic of the way humans communicate in the 21st century. I'd like to try to focus on positive things, positive news, and try to make people smile. Not frown or squirm.

Mon, 2009-03-23 12:26

 

so, here's some negative-thinking for ya... i logged in to momversation this morning and saw the topic posted for today. first thing that came to mind... "LAAAAAAAAME!" so i left it alone for a while and went about my morning.

but then i came back to it... why? who knows. i was curious, i guess.

when we first moved to annapolis, i wrote the following post on my blog...

http://www.mybottlesup.com/2009/01/up-north.html

i'm a southern gal. i like my smiles, my "heeeey" greetings from people that i know and don't know as people pass each other by. i like the friendliness that i became so accustomed to while living in the south for years. and it's not here... up here... in yankee-ville. (sorry yanks).

it's taken its toll on me, mentally, it really has. and i didn't expect it to. so the combination of now living up north (ok, it may not be "up north" for you, but it is for me), and the economy, and the joblessness, and the whateverthehellitisthatpissesyouoffonadaytodaybasis... has taken its toll on me.

while i disagree that it's an "obligation" for us, as bloggers, writers, twitterers, whatever... i do agree that spreading the love can only bring about goodness. and we all could use a little goodness here and there.

yesterday, paul and i celebrated jackson's 11 month birthday by walking to an ice cream shop. it was 45 degrees out, but i wanted jackson to have a cake cone in preparation for next months bath in his birthday cake. so we went, ice cream was shared, stories were told... and i watched numerous random strangers smile at paul and i as they watched our son destroy his cake cone, attacking it with his mouth, his hands, and his 8 teeth as if it was the greatest treat ever.

and i liked knowing that jackson made a bunch of people smile.

Mon, 2009-03-23 06:53

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