January 16, 2009
We love our Momversation panelists because they are honest, affecting, (and awesome) writers. But they've sometimes received criticism for the openness of their blogs. Panelist Rebecca Woolf of Girl's Gone Child asks her fellow mommy bloggers, "How (and when) do you censor your own blogs?"
What's your take on self-censorship? Do you think mom bloggers should write about their children? Their marriages? What is "OK" to write about, and what should be off limits? Have you ever been criticized for what you've written on your blog? Join the Momversation by commenting or posting in related forums:
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39 Comments
i still feel very new when it comes to the whole mommyblog concept. i have been blogging since i was pregnant with jackson, who is now 9 months old. originally, the purpose of the blog was to journal the pregnancy. i have always written and thought "super, i can type my journal on blogger and post it with pics so people can see how huge i'm getting." it was during this time that my husband's orders with the navy came through and we were told we were being sent to japan... with the unborn first grandchild on both sides of the family... then the blog took on a new purpose--- keep all informed with as much info as possible to prep our families for basic communication via internet, blog, skype, for what was our upcoming move. and then jackson was born. the blog was still read mostly by family, dear friends, but was starting to get picked up by friends of friends, etc... and then the comments like "gosh, i feel like i'm reading something i shouldn't be privy to" started coming in. these comments especially picked up when jackson was 5 weeks old and i had to stop breastfeeding because he was allergic. my son's feeding issues that literally forced me to stop breastfeeding became such a taboo topic on my blog that it started being shared much more than i thought imaginable. suddenly my son's speech pathologist (who was helping us reteach jackson to eat) was sharing my blog link with other clients of her's, doctors were checking our my blog to gain patient insight... it got kinda crazy. because of jackson's feeding issues, we obviously never made it to japan, and are now in annapolis, md. my point is this... the blog serves different purposes as time and circumstances change. what started as an online journal of my pregnancy has turned in to something totally different. through it all, i have chosen not to censor myself much... and i can relate to rebecca a lot on this. i need to be as honest as possible on my blog, for me. i consider myself a writer, and in taking that role on, i am taking on a personal responsibility to write what and how i feel. censorship comes when i decide because it's my blog, my story... and kathie lee can go suck it. (ps- who saw the snl skit of her and hoda?)
Fri, 2009-01-16 05:42
I have two blogs… one for the family & one for me. The family one I censor my thoughts and views. I watch my tone and language so I don’t offend anyone. It’s main use is just to keep family members updated on our household. You will never hear a rant on my MIL there. On my “grown up” blog I post anything I want to say. If you are offended just click the little x in the upper right hand corner. It’s my place to voice my opinions on my life. I don’t rant like I use to, maybe I’m growing up, but I still have a place where I can. I have noticed and maybe it’s the mom in me I don’t curse just in case a child reads my post. Kind of silly I know since there is far worse stuff out there.
As for our identities… I don’t use our last name but an abbreviated version. Way back when I first starting blogging (like 2000) I went through the phase of using DH, DD1 and DD2. The thought being I was protecting my family while still getting to express myself. I’ve since moved on from that and now use everyone’s first name. I have asked my family if my blogging bothers them and so far no complaints.
Married/Single Parent
Fri, 2009-01-16 05:59
I have two words for the haters: Bill Cosby.
As for me, I use my identity & I have & will post pics of my daughter on the blog. But the blog isn't solely focused on my personal family life, although I do focus on family & women's issues. I would not post something that I would not say to someone personally. But that's my rule in life: I try not to say anything about others that I would not say to or in front of the person I'm talking about.
My daughter is a tween & has opinions about what I'm doing. She caught me tweeting about her wanting to name her nintendog "antidisestablismentarianism" (still looking for asswipe who created that word). In short, I was annoyed & tweeting about it & she said, "Mom, don't tell them that. They'll think I'm stupid." So I didn't.
Fri, 2009-01-16 06:36
My rule of thumb is that I don't write anything on my blog that I wouldn't want to see on the front page of the local paper.
If it would hurt someone, or embarrass them, then I edit it out. But I leave in the stuff that might piss people off, because that tends to start the best conversations.
I love how you equate bloggers to writers of previous eras - did Nathaniel Hawthorne exploit the characters in his books? Especially that little old lady who spent 9 pages in the bathroom in The House of Seven Gables? Of course not. The rest of society simply hasn't caught up to the technology, and doesn't understand that we're just as much "writers" as someone whose words are on paper at Barnes and Noble.
The difference, though, is that in publishing a book there is a lot of time for reflection, for editing, it is scrutinized by other people prior to being published, and so on. Whereas with blogging, the immediacy can cause one to hit "Publish Post" before one has reflected on what the consequences of the words might be.
Great topic!
Amy @ http://prettybabies.blogspot.com
Fri, 2009-01-16 06:36
This is by far my favorite Momversation episode. While I'm a staight shooter in my personal life I do find myself editing what I say in my blog. I'm still blunt but as I write I always remind myself that anyone anytime anywhere in the world can read my writing. Now, I could care less about strangers and what they think of me but my family that's a different story. I would never say anything that would cause embarrasment to them. So I usually steer clear of any mother-in-law stories unless they're just too funny to pass up.
I write about my daughter all the time and so far that's not an issue because for Pete's sake she's only two. She's more concerned about what her Elmo doll has to say about her than anything mom has to say. Of course, I wouldn't hesitate to show her my blog when she's old enough to understand it. The blog really is an amazing way to record history.
As for the naysayers who critcize women for blogging about their kids. Well, clearly they have issues. The biggest hypocrite of all has to be Kathie Lee Gifford. She talked about her kids every workday morning for years on national television and now she has a problem with moms blogging about their kids? Give me a break lady.
Tracy
http://themoxiereport.blogspot.com
Fri, 2009-01-16 07:13
Heh, you'll love this: I handed over my manuscript in the middle of the divorce and said, "Read it and flag. What you give me will go to print." Now no one, especially my mother, who did the final editing, can say they were surprised or offended.
Imagine that. In. the. middle. of. divorce. And he didn't redline a thing.
FTW! *\o/*
Fri, 2009-01-16 08:29
This was a great episode and very timely for me!
I agree with most of you, I would not post something on my blog that I have not expressed to those that I'm writing about. I know that my family and friends read my blog, so I do censor myself a bit.
My question about censorship was more because of a subject matter. I recently posted about my sister's relationship with her ex and what I thought of the situation. She knew how I felt, my mom did and so did my friends. There was nothing different in what I wrote from what I said and discussed with them. It was not a personal attack on her ex, I was just questioning the situation. My sister was fine with the post, my friend was not. He said it made him feel "uncomfortable."
I know that I cannot bash my husband or talk about his mom or even complain about my family on my blog. This I save for my personal journal that's on my computer, if I really need to vent it out. Although, I'm pretty lucky because I don't feel the need to complain about my husband too much :)
I started my blog as a way to collect my random thoughts and to archive my life (not that I feel like I'll be famous, but I'm nostalgic). I agree with one of the panelists...if my son (and eventually kid #2) wants to know what was going through my mind when he was growing up, well come on by mommy's blog to find out.
Brandi
http://brandistrand.wordpress.com
Fri, 2009-01-16 09:03
Interesting, growingupartists -- For me I've yet to have an issue with a friend or family member that was hurt or at all damaged by what I've written on my blog or anywhere else. It was cut out in this Momvo but I did talk about how I asked everyone included in my book if they were okay with me writing about them candidly as well as using their names. Everyone was cool with it. Everyone has always been cool with it but also, I've been writing about my life professionally since I was fourteen so everyone pretty much knows that to be in my life is to be involved in a story I am constantly updating either online or in print.
I also made the point that when it comes to blogging (for me) names aren't changed to protect the innocent because at this point, no one's innocent... everyone I cross paths with could/might end up on my blog or hidden in a book somewhere. I'm not going to write badly about anyone I love but I will write honestly...
Unfortunately these eps have to be edited down to shorts so a lot of the conversation depth gets left out. I think we're all working on that. Thanks for your candid critique!
Fri, 2009-01-16 10:46
Great, great topic, guys!
I have some pretty major issues with my mother (and I hope she's not reading this, ack) and I have to seriously dance around how weird and painful it is to be around her. Writing about (or not writing about) my parents is much more of an issue, for me, than anything I write about my son or husband. I would love to use my childhood as material but it would be seen as an enormous, unforgivable betrayal. Excuse me, I'm going to go call my therapist now...
Growingupartists, your sister wrote a book written from YOUR pov? The mind reels.
Fri, 2009-01-16 11:54
This was a great topic and timely as well.
I think it's interesting that some of the bloggers spoke about not writing anything to embarrass their kids if they get googled when their older, and hello you're in a spot with the queen of writing embarrassing things---Heather Armstrong. So my question to you Rebbecca and the other one, do you think Heather has over shared about her daughter too much? And Alice added in a comment that she would talk about her childhood because she feels like it's a betrayal, why is it okay then to share your child's childhood with complete strangers?
There's sharing and then there's are things that really no one needs to know. Giving enema's and how upset that she's not on target like the "normal kids" is something that is going to hurt and embarrass. Put yourself in her place, image reading that? Still feel like it's okay?
I'd like to hear what you all think REALLY and not all padded and protected.
Fri, 2009-01-16 12:38
Hi Patsy,
First, my name is Dana. Secondly, I'll answer your questions.
Regarding the phrase "sharing too much": To me, it's completely arbitrary because everyone has different levels of comfort. What makes you uncomfortable may not make me, Rebecca, or Heather uncomfortable and vice versa. I think it's unfair to judge another based on something so objective.
There is sharing, there is stuff that no one needs to know, but the good news is that no one is forced to read or otherwise accept any information that anyone puts out there. If any of these women forced their audience to read, well then, that's a different story and I would say that's probably more offensive than the affront borne from simply disagreeing with what one sees presented on a website.
As I said in the video, a sentiment I still stand by, there is an enormous difference between writing about your experience as a mother - parenthood from YOUR perspective - and narrating the most private moments of a kid's life.
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:04
That's a good point, the other one. Actually a couple.
(Sorry, Dana, couldn't help it.)
"Too much" is indeed arbitrary. I find it kind of funny that people have been going on about kids' first steps and first cut tooth and taking pictures of the first poopy diaper, complete with a caption about its consistency, weight and odor, and putting them in photo albums they display on their freaking coffee tables; and only with the advent of the Internet do we act like overshare is possible. Is it going to be TMI for some people and weird them out? Probably. But others will find it dang funny. It's relative.
And I am careful about online safety, for sure, but I don't think that any actual harm, or even embarrassment, is likely to come from what I write about my life with my husband and son. The idea is very uncomfortable for some folks, but discomfort is about the extent of it. And with the sheer volume we write about our kids, even IF my son's friends were Googling and looking to laugh at him in ten years, whatever the "worst" thing I've written is is likely to be buried in hundreds of other entries. And even then, it's sort of equal to Mom bringing out the baby photo album when the girlfriend comes over. Embarrassing, sure, but not the end of the world.
And that's an excellent point you made in both the video and here about the difference between chronicling parenthood and narrating a child's private moments. We're not just on here mocking our kids, people. We're embracing motherhood as best we know how.
Fri, 2009-01-16 16:25
I didn't say that writing about my childhood would feel like a betrayal--I said my parents would feel like it's a betrayal. I don't think that attitude is healthy or correct.
Being supportive of another blogger does not mean lying or being "padded and protected," whatever that means. I don't see a problem with what Heather writes. She's giving an honest account of motherhood. And she does it better than just about anyone.
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:18
I started my blog when my first daughter was born, because I was tired of questions like "Oh, so how is she? What is she doing? Do you have enough milk? Is everything ok with you?" - all my friends and relatives asked absolutely the same things and they called all the time!
So I registered a domain and said: "Ok, guys, now help yourself, please. You can ask me some other questions if you want to, AFTER you read our news".
So, from the very beginning I thought of my family members, who could read my blog. And I decided NEVER write anything about my relationships with my family members or friends. I only blog about my kids, and sometimes I write down some positive moments about their interaction with the others. I don't blog about anything that's going on in my family. I wrote that my daughter was on a funeral, but I didn't write a word, that it was my MIL, who died.
The only negative thing I blog about is my feelings - for example, when I decided to go to a therapy because I was going crazy after staying at home with my kids for 4 years...
Most of my friends have blogs on Livejournal, and when they write about their motherhood, they lock it (sorry, I don't know the right term) so that only their lj-friends have access to read it. I keep my stand-alone blog wich is visible to anyone, but do censor myself.
P.S.: And now I wrote a book about young mother, who has problems with her child's grandparents. And I allways can say: Oh, that's just fiction :)
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:11
I've REALLY got to be cautious about this. We're in the process of becoming foster/adoptive parents. When we start getting placements (tomorrow- YAY!) we CANNOT violate our children's privacy. Which is kind of weird because I've been talking about my biological son pretty much uncensored. It's going to be a big change.
I can already feel the writer's block coming! ;)
Good topic!
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:15
Oh boy. Good luck, TMW! Are there specific rules you have to follow--can you talk about the child(ren) at all?
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:22
I think, if we talk about our kids and their friends who may google some unpleasant (or very private) things about their childhood - it's something different from the point about forcing others to read your blog.
If my mother's friends would read about her problems with her grandchildren - where's her privacy? I think, if a blogger writes about his/her family/friends, they should be asked, do they give permission for that...
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:54
I don't tend to censor my blog with one big exception. The Crossdresser's Wife is already such an "Out There" sort of blog to begin with that I think communication is Way WAY more important than censoring myself. I don't go into graphic detail about all the aspects of my marriage but I don't hide anything either.
What's the one thing I DO hide? Our faces and actual names. I do this because my husband's not ready to come out to his employer yet and I respect his privacy about crossdressing. It WILL be harder, however, when we get pregnant and I want to join the momversation. But that's a worry for another day.
Fri, 2009-01-16 13:52
LOVE Heather's comment about Kathie Lee. KLG has a bug up her a** so much of the time. I've actually gone on a Today Show strike until they get rid of her.
Anyway, this was all really interesting to me. I'm about to start my own blog (verybloggy.com, stay tuned!) and while I don't plan on my son or husband being the main focus, I'm sure stories about them will come up from time to time, and this was all very helpful advice on what to include and what to leave out. Thanks, ladies!
Fri, 2009-01-16 14:51
Alice- I won't be able to post any pictures of them, their names or anything 'personal' about their history. I'll be able to say "We ate popcorn tonight and watched the Wizard of Oz," or "our foster son learned how to burp on command today after Barry worked on it with him for 2 hours," but nothing too revealing.
Fri, 2009-01-16 15:08
great topic, very tricky for all bloggers to balance being honest with being sensitive, especially when all you want to be is cruel. i had a particularly messy breakup with a boyfriend that i blogged about as it was happening. it included a story on how i spotted him at starbucks with his new girlfriend and started hyperventilating. i mentioned that i recognized him from behind by his bald spot.
he spotted me a few months later at a party and ripped into me for the bald spot comment. i felt pretty smug and satisfied at that moment until he starting talking about my big insecurity: the 13-inch surgery scar on my back that's always made me feel deformed. "how would you like it if i set up a website devoted to discussing that scar on your back? would you like that?"
after this encounter, i became much more careful about what i write about others (particularly when i'm trying to slam them). that's probably made my blog much more sanitized and boring, but also ethical. and even still people will express surprise at how much i "don't censor." i'm like, are you nuts? i censor everything all the time now.
Fri, 2009-01-16 15:39
This is a great topic, one I think we've all come up against if we've blogged more than twice.
Unlike Dooce, I really DO have like thirty people who read my blog, at least regularly, and only about half of those know enough about the "real" me to really connect intimate details with the me who lives offline. I think I give the illusion of 100 percent openness and sharing-ness, but really, it's in the tone. I only blog about 5 percent of my life, and even less of my son's and husband's. But, like Rebecca, I've always used real names, and am something of a picture addict.
I would like to say I exclude the other 95 percent out of deference to the privacy of my loved ones, but just as often it's because the rest of our life is, well, boring, at least to outsiders. It might be of paramount importance to my husband and me that we find our checkbook before the mortgage is overdue, but it doesn't make for the most compelling blog entry.
That said, I think I've always censored to an extent. To me, it's the permanence of what's written even more than the nature of it. I always remember a particularly bad day in eighth grade, when I wrote a long-ass manifesto about how so-and-so was a bitch/jerk/slut/ho/dumber-than-asparagus poser (that was my exact phrasing), and how we only palled around with her because her mom was a teacher, and she'd better watch it. I was the poser, naturally. I was then, as I am now, as non-confrontational as it is possible to be. But my brilliant friend, after I'd passed her the note, chose to read it in the one class that was filled with all the friends of the subject of my maledictions -- and taught by her mother. I was pretty much screwed.
And there've been other times I was sort of aghast at something I've written. I've written articles for numerous newspapers, and if even a tiny error creeps in that effects other people, and they call you on the phone all mad, and you then see that error printed thousands upon thousands of times, and your mom clips out one and puts it in a scrapbook anyway ... it's kind of a spirit crusher.
All that to say, my epiphany was in eighth grade when I realized that committing my opinions to writing made them permanent, and it freaking gets around. My reminder was when I became a journalist, and it freaking got around even more. And the Internet way trumps both of those. Once it's on the Internet, you can't get it back.
And I do worry about protecting my loved ones, of course. I'm fiercely protective of my family. And I would never intentionally do anything that compromises their well-being or weirds them out. I use the "if I'd say it to them in front of others" method too. The only drawback is that it leads to nearly every conversation with them starting out with "Oh, yeah. I already read that on your blog." Argh.
The real funny thing is you never know what will bother people. My husband was fine with me alluding to fights we've had or sex we've had ... I'm not descriptive about either, but still. But then, I said he "knows all the words to 'Honky Tonk Badonkadonk,'" and he was ACTUALLY MAD because he only knows some of the words to "Honky Tonk Badonkadonk." Silly me.
As to the exploitation issue, I just don't get that. This is my love letter to my kid and my life with him, my chronicle of our adventures together. He loves it. He asks if I've written "any cool stories with me in them." And good point, Dana, about Dave Barry. Huge double standard. I'd never even thought about that.
Being a mom is damn funny, and damn inspiring. And sometimes it involves crying or heartbreak or laughing or moments of brilliance, or poop and boogers. And I write it. That's all there is to it, for me.
And my husband would like the Interwebs to know he only really knows the refrain. Just to set that straight.
Fri, 2009-01-16 16:09
First of all Alice, ditto on the parent thing. Mine don't even know yet.
Second of all. I am brand new to blogging. Three weeks to be exact.
I thought a lot about what approach I wanted to take and did a little research on other mom blogs. I eventually decided not to use the kids and husbands name after I read about what a hard time people gave Heather. I knew that Heather had no idea when she started how many people would be reading her blog. Why would she hide identities and censor herself? Even then I still wasn't sure that I needed to be overly cautious. We know the names of a lot of celebrity's children (Kathy Lee's included!). Ultimately it was better to be safe than sorry for me.
About exploiting your children; I look at blogging as one big playdate. I'll put on my blog anything that I would talk about to the other moms at one of our group playdates. Part of the joy and experience of having a child is sharing it with others. Helping them and learning from them. I only wish I had known about mom blogs six years ago when I was stuck at home alone with a new baby. Crying the whole time I nursed her because I was lonely and hormonal and uncertain. These blogs help people so much more than they hurt. There will always be complainers out there who want others to be as miserable as they are. It loves company. Just know you are all brave and helpful people and even in three short weeks I feel that blogging and reading blogs has made me a better parent
Enough said
www.momranoutscreaming.com
Fri, 2009-01-16 21:23
Oh ladies, ladies... your insights are wonderful, thank you SO much for sharing them.
Unfortunatey, I don't think they'll do me a damn bit of good.
This topic... censoring blogs for the sake of saving relationships... is the ONLY reason that keeps me from starting a public blog of my own, in spite of my own almost-too-strong-to-deny desires and my friends' repeated requests. It's comforting to know that so many others deal with this issue as well.
I am a writer by profession, and have worked as both a journalist and a marketing writer for the past 15+ years. So it only stands to reason that I would be a veteran blogger, right? Wrong. Why? Because ultimately I'm afraid of the damage I can (and inevitably will) do to my relationships if I am true to myself and write what I want to write.
I wear my feelings the way a girl wears a fabulous red trenchcoat in March -- with a spring in her step and a smile on her face for the whole world to see. There's never, EVER, a question about how I'm feeling at any given time, good or bad. (Good thing I'm a happy person by nature.) I've always been that way... and I can't imagine having to change who I am when writing in my blog.
Scoot over, Alice, we're in the same boat. My hubby and son, who are easygoing and amazing, would have no problems with my blog. And I LOVE my job, no problems there. But LORD ALMIGHTY, I could create an entire blog about my mother that would attract thousands... but the result would, of course, be disastrous. I also stand a good chance of alienating my sisters, insulting a couple of my friends, and being run out of my neighborhood the way medieval townsfolk would expel an ogre.
At this point you're probably thinking: "Sister, you don't need a blog... you need a shrink." Well, the shrink might not be a bad idea... but you see, writing IS my therapy. Dumping all the crazy shit -- hilarious and catty and bright and painful and gracious and glorious and tragic -- out of my head and bouncing it off of others helps me make sense of it all and, ultimately, heals me. It's that simple.
But when that healing process has the power to hurt people you care about, it's not so simple anymore. And most of the time, that just really pisses me off.
Let me be clear: I'm not an unstable, bitter woman who wants to talk trash about my family every day. In fact, I'm generally a positive person who's fun to be around, and most people tell me I'm a great storyteller... which is why I'm always asked why I don't have a blog. (And why I haven't written a book.) But I'm irked by the fact that once in a while, if I have an experience -- or a day, or a month -- that's not all ponies-and-rainbows, I can't share it for fear of repercussions... like being left out of the family will.
I simply refuse to stifle certain observations, thoughts and feelings, so I've taken an "all-or-nothing" position: If I can't have an "all-honest, all-the-time" policy on my blog, then it's no blog for me.
Maybe someday I'll make peace with compromise. But until then I'll just hang out here, where my mother can't find me, and take baby steps with you girls. Hope that's ok. :)
So happy to be here! Thanks again for sharing... and for listening.
Sat, 2009-01-17 12:17
Growingupartists, what a cool concept! Thank you for the suggestion, that is definitely a possibility I want to chew on... and, if I go through with it, you'll be the first to know! :) Thanks again for the insight.
Mon, 2009-01-19 11:42
LetterEleven, have you considered blogging anonymously?
Until then, hang out with us--you're safe here!
Sun, 2009-01-18 17:13
Hi Alice,
Yes, I have thought about blogging anonymously and, at this point, that seems to be the best solution. The only downside is that it presents another "all-or-nothing" scenario of sorts. I can't tell some friends about it (whom I would love to share it with and would have nothing to worry about), but not others (who would set my house on fire if they read it). And with my luck... somehow, some way, someone who shouldn't find my blog would inadvertently find it and know it was me. (Paranoid, table for one, right this way...)
I'll keep mulling it over... in the meantime, it's great to be here at momversation -- also known in my mind as "my big step forward."
Have a great day!
Mon, 2009-01-19 11:50
I podcast anonymously about my life. My X husband sued me because he did not like my perspective of my life.
New York Supreme Court granted me the right to continue my podcast in the name of our country's First Amendment. Although it cost a pretty penny to defend. X didn't have a problem cheating and lying, he just had a problem with me talking about it.
Ironically his complaint only landed us a front page story in the New York Times and featured on Nightline. (And through it all, we have remained anonymous -- we were shot in shadow!!)
If we censor our writing/speech we handicap our truths. Write on....
http://www.divorcingdaze.com
Tue, 2009-01-20 07:06
First, and totally irrelevant, but Rebecca - YOU HAVE GORGEOUS HAIR! I am so jealous! Anyway, I'm in agreement with all the momversationalists. I censor to a point, but am very honest too. I'm not leading a perfect life, and I think that most mommy bloggers don't want to read about how perfect other's lives are. Instead, they want to read about how you don't make your bed, your laundry is never caught up, you argued with your husband, and you gave your 6-mo-old ice cream. It's all about being real.
Sat, 2009-01-24 21:40
Thanks for blogging about this topic! Seems a lot of people can really relate.
Thu, 2009-01-29 07:58