October 18, 2009
A miscarriage can dredge up myriad emotions: guilt, sorrow, anger, and isolation. A miscarriage truly is a loss, and it's natural to grieve. It's also natural to ask yourself questions such as, "What did I do to cause this?" even though the majority of miscarriages have nothing to do with a mother's actions. And though it's difficult to talk about, miscarriages should be discussed because such a large number of women experience them; talking through the pain can often lead to a healthier recovery and less stigma. So, today on Momversation, the panelists are speaking about miscarriage, the feelings associated with them, and the reaction of friends and co-workers. Our guest Megan Meany of NBC 4 New York asks, "How do you deal with your or a friend's miscarriage?"
Have you had a miscarriage? Has a friend? How have you dealt with it, and do you think discussing them is healthy or hurting? Join the Momversation by commenting below.
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48 Comments
Miscarriage is never fun, no matter how far along you are. It is a hard subject to deal with and even though I have been through a miscarriage I still don't know how to talk to others who have miscarriages. Everyone grieves differently so it is hard to ever know what to say.
My miscarriage was my first pregnancy. I had been on depo previously, only one shot but the effects lasted an entire year. My then fiance, now husband, were at the end of a 9 month engagement and decided why not start trying, it should take awhile right. Well we immediately found out we were pregnant and had our wedding the next month. We thought everything was going well. We went to our first doctor and confirmed the pregnancy. I was 12 weeks along when I miscarried. I went in for my 12 week check up, you know the one where you hear the heart beat. The doctor had troubles and figured that I was just wrong about the date and maybe wasn't that far along. So they scheduled me for an ultrasound to check how far along we really were. I had to wait a week to go in and when we went in the ultrasound tech confirmed what I had feared for the entire week. There was no heartbeat. :-( We went to the doctor and they gave me the option to let the miscarriage happen naturally, with no idea how long it would take, or go in and have a D & C. I chose the D & C not wanting to have a dead baby in me for god knows how long. I remember as I was going under I just started bawling. Thankfully the nurse was great and stroked my hair as I went to sleep. I went home and cried. My husband tried to console me but all I could think is that I am useless as a woman and will never be able to give my husband a child why would he want me? Then my hospital bill came and it said "Spontaneous ABORTION!!" That is not what I had, and just as I thought I was getting better this word sent me into a downward spiral. I called the insurance company and yelled. I didn't have an abortion, weather it be spontaneous or not. Then I cried again. I'm not sure there wasn't a day that I stopped crying until I got pregnant again. Which luckily for me was only 4 months later, and ended in a much better way. Even to this day, only being 5 years later, I think about what might have been.
Even though 25% of pregnancies end in miscarriage, when it is happening to you, you don't think that anyone else could have gone through it. And if they did how did they survive??
Wed, 2010-01-06 18:54
Thank you so much to the women in the video and to everyone who commented. I am crying with both sadness from my own experience and relief to know that I'm not alone. I discovered two weeks ago that I had a 8 1/2 week old yolk sac containing a 6 week old embryo. I still felt pregnant and didn't understand how it had happened without me feeling anything. I always thought miscarriages happened when you had bleeding. Now I know there are a lot of varieties. I ended up having a D&C.
Just like Alice said in the video, I was completely blindsided by the pain and loss. I never imagined what this would be like or how hard it would be. I had never understood how people could be so devastated by the loss of a person who hadn't yet lived in the world. But now I know. This person lived inside me, in my body as well as my heart and mind. We already had a name picked out. We were reading the pregnancy books every week and imagining the baby's growth from the size of a poppy seed to an M&M to a raspberry. We were planning how to rearrange our house and our lives.
In one way I am lucky: I have a wonderful 2 1/2 year old daughter. My pregnancy with her was healthy and fine. So no matter what happens in the future, I will still have Zoe. But I know this will always stay with me too.
It's been a really hard few weeks. All I want to do is sleep. I cry a lot. I get it together as much as I need to in order to take care of Zoe and my work, but it's been the darkest time in my life.
Tue, 2009-12-01 19:40
Hi, my name is Krystal(23yrs old). My Husband Alexander (22yrs old) and I have a beautiful daughter Alexis. She turned two in June and we thought to ourselves how nice it would be to have another one. On my daughters birthday i took 3 home pregnancy test all three were positive!!! We didnt tell anyone till we were past the first trimester with our daughter and thought to ourselves we might as well share the news now since our first pregnancy was a success. So we did we told everybody.... I went to our first appointment to meet the OB doctor in July, then had a pregnancy test there and then later blood work.. Everything came out fine and my ob doctor said since i had two mistrual periods in may that i should get an ultra sound done to determin the due date better. August 13th i went in with our two year old daughter to get the ultrasound done since my husband is in the military and couldnt get this day off. As we waited for them to call us back i kept telling Alexis you ready to see your sibling maybe we might be able to see if you will have a lil sister or brother on the way!! As i knew it might be too soon only being 11 weeks but shes very curious for her age. She would even point at my belly and say baby..baby in there.. So after the long wait we were called back and to the ultrasound room. I slid a chair up to the examing table so Alexis could be right beside me and see everything too. My ultrasound tech did the over the belly ultrasound and was complimenting me on how beautiful Alexis is. When she looked at me she said you need to schedule a follow up with your ob doctor. I said why is everything ok?? She at this point put her head down and I asked again and she grabbed my chart and i said to her i didnt hear a heartbeat can we do a vaginal ultrasound. She said i dont think thats necessary. I pleaded for her to so we proceeded and I got to see its arms and legs and head but still didnt hear a heartbeat.(For anyone whos not experienced doing a vaginal ultra sound it was the worst thing because u can make it out unlike over the belly). I looked at her and said my babies dead and started to cry which inturn my ultrasound tech started to cry too. Alexis looked at me said, Mommy ok?? With the most sadest look on her face and as i tried to get a breath i told her Mommy will be ok as i kissed her forehead the ultra sound tech pointed on the screen where the babys heart should be and said theres nothing there (just a black circle on the screen) and turned on the blood flow monitor pointed to where the blood was flowing thru me but not to the baby. I had several questions at which she could not answer any of them. I left that ob office and called my husband and told him. We were both thankful for the timing of this event due to his deployment august 24. I could not see myself dealing with this and our daughter without him. He was sent home from work to be with me. Later that night, I could not live knowing that the baby inside me was no longer living so i called my ob and said i want it out of me. Later that evening we went into the surgery room to remove our dead baby inside me. My ob answered several questions i had and the one that sticks with me the most is how common this is 1 in 4 women lose babies.That is awefull and hard to grasp. I dont know how anyone is suppose to handel this. I dont think you ever get over the lose what was hard for me more than anything was to see newborn babies and pregnant women afterwards. It gets easier day by day and to know it was nothing i did. Part of me wishes we hadnt told everyone but when he told everyone what had happend my phone was going off like crazy several missed calls, voice mails and text messages from family and friends and thats when you feel like being alone and not talking to anyone but at the same time feeling really loved and know you are and how many people care and it lasted for 3-5days afterwards of people wanting to know my condition not necessarily nosey either.... But thats what helps is to have a great support system and relating to people with the same experience. I would never wish a miscarriage on even my worse enemy. My apologies go out to all who have suffered a miscarriage. I also want to give thanks to those who made it possible to make an outlet for us to discuss our experiences with a miscarriage.
Tue, 2009-11-24 21:59
Maybe I'm alone in this...but my miscarriage wasn't traumatic. It wasn't the "death" of my "child". It was the shedding of cells. Possibly the worst period I'd EVER had. But I also knew that statistically, spontaneous miscarriage in the first 6 weeks is highly common. I can't remember the exact details, but I think it's something huge like 60% of pregnancies stop before 6 weeks. Many women don't even know. But I think so many women DO consider their 6 week & earlier miscarriage this HUGE thing b/c home pregnancy tests let you find out if you have hormones in your pee within 3 weeks.
There is such a thing as a chemical pregnancy. Is that what I had? I don't know. I never got to the point where I was being seen by a doctor. Pregnancy hormones were in my body...was there really a baby in there, too? Maybe...maybe not. Whatever the case was...it stopped being there.
I only really remember it now, b/c it's one of the 2 times in my life I considered walking into the ER. The pain from the cramping and contractions was SO bad. I didn't think that part would be so painful. I was young, my boyfriend and I were serious, but not living together or anything. We were later married, and now have 2 children...But I do not think about my miscarriage as some devastating loss I can't get over. In fact...unless someone brings up their own miscarriage, I don't even think about it. When I was pregnant with my daughters, the idea of a miscarriage was there, but I didn't worry THAT pregnancy would end the same way.
When I was 16, I had a best friend who was 1 of like 7 kids (at the time, now she's 1 of 9). One night I was dropping my friend at her house, and when she and I walked in, her dad rushed out to us and told me to call my mom, and an ambulance. Her mother was miscarrying...she would have been about 16 -18 weeks I think. She was bleeding. A LOT. My friend gathered her younger siblings (she was the oldest kid at home at the time) into a back bedroom and put a movie on to keep them occupied. I cleaned up the kitchen to keep busy, and also b/c I worried if the paramedics walked in and the house was a wreck it might cause an issue with DCF. Anywho...my mom showed up, and followed the ambulance, with my friend's mom & dad in it, to the hospital. My friend and I were alone with her young siblings and a room where her mother had been so close to death, even the paramedics had looked nervous. I sent my friend away for a bit and walked into the room. Blood was everywhere. It soaked the sheets, there was a trail of it along the side of the bed, to the floor, pooling in front of the bathroom sink, and in front of the toilet, on a rug...was what I can only assume was everything that had previously been warmly and neatly tucked into a uterus. It was about the size of a dinner plate, it reminded me of a jello mold...and I didn't want to look at it too hard, in case I recognized anything.
I grabbed the bedding, threw it into the washer with bleach, I picked up the rug, dumped the contents into a plastic bag, then burried the plastic bag in the woods. I rinsed the rug...and threw it in with the sheets. I picked up the trash the paramedics had left behind. Gauze, syringes, those little glass bottles with liquid narcotics, an empty saline bag. It's all still VERY vivid. But I think...after seeing what I saw from bed to bathroom...None of it looked like a baby. It all looked very alien...and I think *that* has given me a totally different perspective about miscarriage.
Thu, 2009-11-19 13:45
I have been asked by some ppl that because my miscarriage was so early 7-8 weeks why was I so upset, it was not like anything was there. The doctor said it was a blob, someone even laughed when I said this I found out she went through it too, and we both had to explain something to our older kids. Although, I didn't like that she laughed. I have had another baby since she is now 4 months old and have been asked why did you try again so soon and I say I wanted a baby and I was ready to try again.
Sometimes I still think about it just because I had made plans and told so many people... but yes I do have my children and should be happy and I am but that doesn't make it go away...you deal and you heal over time. It helps to talk and not everyone wants to talk or even listen. Gratefull for this site.
Moms are programmed to be empathetic, I think we don't always know what to say because we don't want to offend anyone and everyone deals with things their own way even if they laugh...
Being sensitive doesn't always pay off...
Mon, 2009-11-02 11:17
I'm so sorry for your losses. I've had multiple miscarriages - including a couple later miscarriages. The hardest parts for me is passing the EDD for the babies I've lost - especially the miscarriages after the first trimester (when you think you're "free and clear" and you start announcing the pregnancy) and talking to my kids about this topic (they know about the later pregnancy losses).
The best online resources about miscarriages I ever found were Chez Miscarriage (she isn't writing any more), A Little Pregnant and Tertia - including lots of information about how to talk to someone who has experienced a miscarriage if you've never had one - and an inside-out view from the point of losing a baby.
I think miscarriages should be talked about more - it's important, and we need support, it isn't shameful, and it's much more universal than many women know. Support is never wrong.
Thu, 2009-10-29 23:12
October of 2007, my husband and I found out we were pregnant with our first child (my second pregnancy, my first was a miscarriage). Anyways, we were very excited and thrilled we were going to be parents. He knew I'd been wanting kids for a very long time. 17 weeks into my pregnancy, January of 2008, I began having contractions, my water broke at home, and by the time I got to the hospital my baby (boy) had no heartbeat, and the hospital had me deliver him. I had extreme PPD, but continued with the will of wanting to have kids. In March of 2009, I found out I was pregnant again. I went to the best doctors in Beverly Hills my insurance could buy. Almost 5 months into my pregnancy, at 18 weeks (July 09), I started having contractions again. I went to the hospital hoping to stay there enough time to save my baby, but instead I ended up delivering my baby girl, as well. She was alive for a few minutes before she took her last breath, holding her daddy’s finger. Needless to say, almost 4 months after this happened, I’m twice as sad. My doctor told me to wait 4 period cycles before I tried again. However, my husband and I now hesitate to want to have kids. We’re both 28, and after going through double the heartbreak, it’s hard to have a baby talk without having a meltdown (me). In the back of my mind, I definitely would love to have kids, but after everything we’ve been through, and my uterus/cervix having a mind of their own, my chances look slim to ever having kids. Everybody tells me to wait at least a year again to give my uterus a chance to heal. I have a hard time getting pregnant, believe it or not. So, until I stop having half-assed pregnancies, I guess my tears, anger, confusion, my husband, and my dog is all I have left. I feel very empty.
It has been really hard, especially after you start receiving baby presents, you start buying clothes, and you name your children (Vincent & Hailie). My kids, even though they are not here, will always be my kids. I gave birth to them, and although I may not see them physically, with every breath I take, I am reminded that God is raising them, and that maybe, just maybe, I will see them that one sweet day. It’s probably the only thing that keeps me going.
Where are my tissues? :’(
Thu, 2009-10-29 13:40
Jessica, I am so sorry.
I'm not Christian, but I believe my son is around. I believe your children will know you and greet you when it is time for you to join them.
And while children are not replaceable, I do hope you and your husband are able to have a family as you wish it. I hope someday you can tell your children about their big brother and sister.
I promise someday it won't hurt like this all the time. I won't say your pain will grow less, because it doesn't, but you will someday have better tools to cope with it. It's been twelve and a half years for me, and it still kicks me in the head out of the blue.
I hope you and your doctor can find out what the issue is with your pre-term labor. I have a friend who has had a few late gestational age miscarriages and several early miscarriages and found that she had a clotting disorder as well as an immune system problem that made her body attack the fetus as a disease or virus. And my SIL has an incompetent cervix. She lost my nephew, Jacob at 19 weeks five years ago.
I truly hope life brings you what you wish.
Sat, 2009-10-31 14:34
My goodness. I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this, but my pro-choice stance makes my feelings about miscarriage a little bit complicated.
Six years ago, I had an abortion at five weeks. Last year, I miscarried at six weeks. Certainly terminating my first pregnancy was an incredibly difficult decision, but it is not one I regret. Losing my planned child, my baby, was not a decision, or something I'm sure I can mourn. Why should one week make a difference between a fetus that I terminated and a baby who died?
Mon, 2009-10-26 23:51
helgel, I'm also pro-choice. Very much pro-choice. And I don't honestly think you have no right to grieve the loss of your pregnancy.
The decision to terminate a pregnancy is a difficult one, I know. Having had an abortion does NOT nullify or invalidate your grief. That's like saying that because my auto-immune disease isn't cancer that I should be all happy because it's not cancer. See what I mean? I understand why you think they way you do, but if you put the same sort of situation on another topic it makes no sense.
It isn't the gestational age, it's situational. For whatever reason, six years ago you were not ready for a pregnancy and a child. But you were ready this time. Having an abortion doesn't mean you deserved to lose your baby, your pregnancy. I'm not sure how to say what is in my brain, you know? It's just that my son died of a defect that many many people choose to LTA when they are given the diagnosis. And I SO understand their decision.
I don't think you should regret your abortion, as you have said you do not. That being said, it doesn't mean that losing this pregnancy, one you decided to take to term, isn't a horrible loss. You have the right to grieve, however you need to grieve. My own personal experience with ignoring the pain of a miscarriage because it wasn't as bad as my 4 day old full term son dying is not one I would recommend. In my experience, it will hit you when you aren't looking. I was RELIEVED when the miscarriage didn't hurt me deep and hard like Rhys' death did. And so I ignored the grief that was there. And it kicked my ass several months later.
So anyway. I'm really sorry that you have this conflict. And I know there are plenty of people who would tell you that your miscarriage is punishment for your abortion. I know you know it isn't, but I'm just going to validate that. You are not a bad person for having an abortion. You have the right to grieve the loss of your pregnancy.
*hugs*
Sat, 2009-10-31 14:24
I totally agree with the sentiments expressed by the other moms. I had three miscarriages before I had any children. What struck me most was the disregard of my feelings. People who said nothing were more bothersome than those who said idiotic things like "It was God's way." Many also believe that having a live baby will heal you. I have three children. I think of the three that I lost, now 17 years later. Most people think that I should be over that. What concerns me even more than how people treat miscarriage is the incidence of miscarriage. On my block, every single woman who lives within 20 yards of me has had at least one miscarriage. Something is very wrong.
Mon, 2009-10-26 05:40
Thank you for talking about this topic. I have had two miscarriages (one at 7 weeks and one at 4 weeks) and the topic seems so taboo, no one wants to talk about it, even though it is surprisingly common. I grieved and felt guilty and abnormal, I felt like an idiot for announcing my (first) pregnancy, and I still feel sad on my projected due dates, even though I have since given birth to a healthy baby. I remember feeling very jealous of pregnant women who were blissfully going along through their happy, uneventful pregnancies. My emotions were very toxic at the time, and then I felt guilty about THAT.
Many of my friends are getting pregnant now, and I'm sorry to report that the statistics are manifesting themselves. I had four friends who were pregnant around the same time and inevitably one of them miscarried. She called me from a street in NYC and we cried on the phone together. She knew she could talk to me, and that I would understand. And I cried because I wouldn't wish that amount of pain and disappointment on anyone, much less one of my best friends. But she was so relieved to talk to someone about it, and I was relieved that she wasn't afraid to call me.
The point is, if you have had a miscarriage, it's not your fault. It's ok to talk about it. The more we talk about it, the less taboo the topic will be. It's ok to go through the grief cycle, even though it may seem abstract or pointless to feel that much sorrow for a little blob of cells and blood and tissue.
Fri, 2009-10-23 20:54
It does blindside you, years later!
I thought it was all behind me, until Dr. Tiller's assassination last April. I'd been in fertility treatment in 1995 and had a chemical pregnancy followed by a miscarriage at 13 weeks -- another instance of "beating the odds" after seeing a heartbeat and thinking you were out of the woods. I, too, went in to just check on some spotting without bothering my husband.
So, four years after I'd endured that ominous silence in the ultrasound room, it was all I could think about when the Dr. Tiller story broke. I could think of nothing except how much worse that moment must have felt to the women that were far enough along to need Dr. Tiller's services instead of the quick D&C I was able to arrange the next day. Of course terminating a pregnancy for disability is not the same as needing to resolve a miscarriage -- it must be exponentially worse.
I have mixed feelings about the tendency toward silence. Not being a mom, I signed up for this site just to comment on this particular post and I hesitated about what username to choose. I never told my family (with whom I am not close) about the pregnancy or the miscarriage and most of the people I work with don't know either. Not because it's anything to be ashamed of but because I wasn't telling people anything, from trying to conceive onwards. In the workplace, secrecy has obvious benefits. It felt strange (to me) to announce a miscarriage (other than to my then-manager relating to time off) when nobody knew I'd been pregnant in the first place. And among friends who did know, I tended to change the subject after accepting their sympathies, because it was painful to think about for awhile and I like to lick my wounds in private. After that, though, a strange dynamic kicks in. Once it's no longer painful to discuss, it is indeed a verboten topic. It feels like you need a special reason to mention it because the window has passed.
I think there's something else behind the silence -- miscarriage is trumped by the excitement of pregnant women. It's not as if women who've miscarried are going to taunt pregnant women with how late they found out. And it isn't as if there's an official rule of politeness that you pretend forever that it never happened. It's more as if the presence of pregnant women in society, whose parades must not be rained upon, requires sweeping miscarriage under the rug.
This may be self-imposed but I certainly was loathe to have anyone in the office know I had just miscarried, for fear that THEY might scrutinize my relationship to the pregnant woman in the next cubicle, not to mention my reluctance for her to feel uncomfortable around me.
Thu, 2009-10-22 08:39
Wow. Reading this has me shedding tears.
I had a miscarriage at 12 weeks about 3 years ago. My partner and I had not intended to get pregnant, but once we did we were excited and happy about becoming parents together. At 8 weeks, I had a routine exam and heard the heartbeat for the first time - so exciting!
We took a long-planned vacation to Norway and Iceland, riding motorcyles around Norway, and driving and hiking around Iceland. Somewhere in there things went kind of sideways for us, and we wound up having a huge argument in the middle of nowhere in a rental car. I cried in the bathroom of the hotel room for hours that night. I remember thinking in the bathroom that night "Oh my god I do not want to bring a baby into the middle of this." OF coures, we talked it out, patched it up, and even enjoyed the last few days of our trip, but it was a horrible, horrible, miserable day.
When we got home, I went in for my first ultrasound, and we could see the baby's head, and face. But I knew right away something wasn't right because the nurse only looked for a few seconds and then said "I'll be back in a few minutes." The doctor then came in, looked himself, and the gave us the news - no heartbeat. We were offered the option to wait until I miscarried or to have a scheduled D&C. We compromised and scheduled the D&C for three days later, figuring if I hadn't miscarried by then I didn't want to wait any longer. For me, it was a mistake to wait. Those three days of walking around with a fetus that was no longer alive inside me was really torture.
Then, after the D&C, I just wanted to act like nothing had happened. A week later, when they said I could "resume normal activities" I went rock climbing with friends. 200 feet up, I started bleeding incredibly heavily, passing clots of blood, etc. We descended and got me to the hospital, where a nurse informed me strictly that "normal activities means going to the grocery store, not scaling a damn cliff."
Add on top of that all the questions I asked: "Was is the motorcycle riding?" "The stress of that huge fight?" "Oh my god, did I WISH my baby away?" I was a real mess. We had already told people, and my partner too it upon himself to call everyone with the news. I was just too miserable to do it. And given that we hadn't planned the pregnancy, I was completely blindsided by the grief. What was particularly hard was running into acquaintances that I hadn't seen in a while, and they'd come running up and say "HEY, Congratulations! I hear you're pregnant" They clearly hadn't heard the latest. Or the client I barely knew who said "Can I ask you a personal question? Are you pregnant?" (I had a little belly at that point). This one was less forgivable, but it sure was a bummer to be like "Nope, only look like it, thanks."
We were told to wait 3 months before trying again, and I pretty much conceived again three months to the day later - we started trying on Halloween and on December 5th I had the pregnancy test that confirmed that I was pregnant. We now have a beautiful 2 year old toddler, and when I do think about my miscarriage I feel sadness mixed with the thought that maybe it was meant to be - maybe that little baby I lost had some major chromosomal disorder and it was just nature's way of paving the way for the perfect little girl I have now. So at least I feel like there was a happy ending, in a way.
My thoughts go out to all of you who are struggling with the pain and grief. And thank you for sharing your stories and inspiring me to share mine.
Fri, 2009-10-23 09:35
With all of the changes in society you would think that the topic of miscarriage would not be so taboo. Cancer and diabetes are open to conversation and no one really thinks twice about it. I think it's like the subject of a yeast infection, no one really wants to talk about it because it's just really uncomfortable for both parties. That being said, I've had 10 myself. I can remember each and every one of them with great detail and it makes me feel horrible. Not to push my personal views on anyone but I have decided in my own little head that it was God's plan, it's how I deal with it. I was not with the right person and with all of my other stress induced medical problems things would not have turned out well, I needed to get my life together. My ex-husband tried to blame me every time and his last parting shot to me was that he was seriously considering having kids but if I was going to act like such a bitch then forget it (stab-twist). I shot back with I hope he got gangrene and his penis fell off. He cheated, he deserved it but that's a whole other conversation. Today I have a little girl that will turn 1 in 9 days and she is my little miracle baby. She keeps me going and I can not express how much I love her. The funny part about finding out I was pregnant; I had a month or two before gone to a fertility doctor to find out what was "wrong" with me. The office called me for a follow up to start the testing and I told them it wasn't necessary because I was pregnant. Although difficult and stressful with lots of complications (bed rest sucks) I somehow got through my pregnancy and have my beautiful little baby. I can honestly say I am terrified of ever getting pregnant again because I will immediately think something is going to go wrong. Every little new thing that happened during my pregnancy freaked me out because I was terrified. Everyone says pregnancy should be a wonderful time in a woman's life but it was not for me and I regret that. I should have been ecstatic but I wasn't. I can relate to how everyone feels and I have a physical ache because I know the horrible pain and guilt you have gone through. Time helps but a miscarriage is something that you never get over.
Wed, 2009-10-21 12:38
As a dad I'm not sure how I would deal with this. I would probably focus all my energy and thinking on giving my wife support.
Tue, 2009-10-20 09:39
Sampal45, that is very sweet and loving of you. I bet your wife is very well loved and supported by you. My husband was wonderful through the whole thing when we had a miscarriage in August. He let me do whatever it was that I needed to do to feel better about myself. He did a few extra things too, and that really made me so grateful for having such a wonderful husband to go through something so hard with.
Tue, 2009-10-20 18:48
I have had three miscarriages. The first at about 7 weeks and the next two at about 12 weeks. All three were prior to having my two healthy awesome little ones.
In my case I have Turner’s Syndrome. If you’re curious you can look it up and read all that it brings with it but for the purposes of this tale all that is relevant is that I should never have been able to get pregnant. Most with the syndrome have complete ovarian failure and never see a menstrual cycle without hormone therapy. So basically I was told I was likely passing on incomplete genetic material in my eggs.
After 3 miscarriages the feelings of inadequacy as a woman were devastating. Like many it completely changed me as a person. It also affected my two subsequent healthy pregnancies. I was so subconsciously terrified that I became moody, angry and irrational which inevitably came out mainly at my poor husband. I barely enjoyed a moment of the experience of my healthy pregnancies.
So how did I then have two textbook pregnancies resulting in healthy babies?
No one in the medical establishment seems to have an answer.
Turner’s is rare. So I am a rarity within the rarity.
I feel, like some have commented, that there are pieces of the lost little ones in the two who have made it. I am thankful every day.
As far as thoughts on how to deal with it all?
-Try not to be too hard on those who don’t quite get it. I think it’s kind of like trying to describe the depths of the ocean to someone who’s never even seen a shoreline.
-This one has been said but it’s critical. Talk to anyone and everyone willing and caring enough to listen to you go on and on and burst into tears and then go on about it some more.
-Have/insist on awesome medical care. Accept nothing but a consummate and sensitive professional who will listen to and answer or find answers to all your questions and concerns. Someone who will follow up with options for counseling if you need it and do a DNC if necessary to avoid infection. Infection post miscarriage is rare now that DNCs are regularly done but if you get one it can kill you. It almost did me after my last miscarriage.
-Don’t forget your partner. Try not to take things out on them or make them the only one you talk to. Also if possible make sure the circle of people that are there for you are also helping your partner too. Realize too that this help may be very different from the help you need. It may just mean going out for drinks or bowling?
-I wouldn’t say wait three months or more to tell people, with work and acquaintances maybe but not those that are close and dear. It’s harder to explain a withdrawn social presence and crazy emotional outbursts when no one had any idea. It’s also harder for your loved ones to empathize the way you may need when they have no chance to be excited and see how excited you were.
-Until you reach a more certain stage in your pregnancy try to be a little hesitant about fast forwarding the baby’s existence. It’s really hard!!! It’s easy to become obsessed with every baby website, TV show and store out there the minute the stick shows pregnant but try not to do and think too much too soon. I had two sleepers with my second miscarriage and it was HORRIBLE. Don’t cement names either. Some chat about names as soon as they start trying to get pregnant but be a little careful. My husband and I cast away 3 or 4 names we both liked and agreed on because I couldn’t even think about them afterwards.
-This last one may sound clinical but it helped me. Take a step back and realize your body is basically doing the most complex and incredible thing a human body can do. It is said there is enough information in a single strand of DNA that if written it would fill 1000 books 600 pages each. It is infinite and amazing so in that sense it becomes easier to comprehend why nature would have this failsafe in place for when something so complex isn’t going quite right. It doesn’t make the pain easier but you perhaps can start to understand the 1 in 4 odds a bit better and stop the self blame of thoughts like ‘, it was that glass of wine or too much pilates’.
My love & deepest blessings to all of you who have lived and are still living (yes somehow you’re still breathing) through this.
Tue, 2009-10-20 09:37
I am so glad that momversation decided to bring this topic up. I had a miscarriage in June. I was almost 13 weeks and had been incredibly morning (all-day really) sick for 2 months. As I had terrible morning-sickness with my son (almost 3 years old), I was not surprised. The midwife thought she heard a heartbeat at 9 weeks, though I didn't hear it. However, I wasn't worried cause after all, when you're sick EVERYONE (including the midwife) tells you "at least you know you've got a healthy pregnancy." Well, that will never provide me with comfort again. We went in for the first-trimester ultrasound screen and there was NOTHING on the u/s. Just literally nothing. I thought the technician was in the wrong spot at first, cause there was nothing resembling a baby. And then she brought another doctor in for confirmation, and you know it's bad.
I knew right away I wanted a D&C. My body hadn't figured out that it wasn't pregnant in all these weeks (they estimated development stopped very early on, 6 weeks at the max) - why should it now? I couldn't get an appointment for 6 days. So I walked around pregnant/not-pregnant for a week. The strangest feeling ever. And still feeling sick. I started bleeding a tiny bit a few days before the D&C but managed to make it to the procedure and not miscarry on my own at home (the midwife wanted me to go to the ER and have an emergency D&C if I started to seriously miscarry at home so I wanted to avoid that).
After the D&C I developed a blood clot in my uterus which thankfully resolved on its own and did not end up as an infection.
Ten days later, I found out I had had a partial molar pregnancy and that we would have to wait at least 6 months to try again while my hormone levels were being monitored. And then there was that word - chemotherapy - dangled over me if the hormone levels didn't drop on their own. Terrible how in trying to make life, you can end up getting cancer. (I won't go into the whole PMP explanation here, but it is basically when 2 sperm fertilize 1 egg, resulting in too many genes, an explosion of hormones (thus the bad sickness) and a placenta which can act more like a tumor - occasionally cancerous). Thank goodness I have an excellent doctor at Women's Option Center in San Francisco - smart and compassionate - a gem in the midst of darkness.
Just writing this all down is making me tear up. Needless to say on this forum, I have been amazed at how much grief I have experienced, how much sadness, anger, and devastation. About a month ago, I started to feel a lot better emotionally, but the past week has been rocky again. In the beginning, I just wanted to be pregnant again. I considered trying to get pregnant right away and basically treat it as one long pregnancy. When we found out about the PMP, I was so upset about having to wait 6 months. It felt like having to put my life on hold. Now, four months in, I hate waiting. But in a way I am kind of glad we had to wait. It forced me to actually process the loss, to really deal with it and not get quickly submerged into the sickness, exhaustion and distraction of another pregnancy. But one thing that I hate is people saying "it's only six months." For one thing, not even being able to start trying again until the day you thought you'd be bringing your baby home - that is a long time. And second, I want to say: "how do you know?" There is no guarantee that trying leads to pregnancy, or that pregnancy leads to healthy baby. I thought I knew this before, watching my sister deal with a pregnancy loss at 5 months, and a friend lose her baby weeks before the due date. But you don't really know until it happens to you.
Two things I want to say that might help others. 1) a distinction I uncovered with my therapist (who I started seeing about 2 months after the miscarriage). When you're dealing with a PMP or other condition like it, you're dealing with two related but distinct things: the grief and loss of the miscarriage, AND the stress and anxiety of being diagnosed with a DISEASE. A disease that needs to be monitored and may or may not need further treatment. I don't know why, but that distinction helped a little. 2) Exercise. In the deep places of grief, if I didn't exercise, I felt like a tiger was ripping me to shreds inside (and sometimes lashing out at the people around me too). Exercise was/is not a panacea, but it has helped me take on some days that would have seen me incapable of caring for my son otherwise. I think of it as "walking the tiger" - as in "the tiger needs to go for his walk RIGHT NOW." I exercise(d) when I don't feel like it. A few times I even cried while doing laps in the pool, and in the sauna afterwards. People either didn't notice or pretended they didn't. Amazing what you can get away with in public.
And yes, everyone is so uncomfortable with talking about miscarriage. People don't really mention mine anymore - I guess everyone assumes I'm over it (ha!) or they don't want to bring it up and "remind me." Here's the truth: I am always reminded. Every single moment. There has never been one moment that I am not aware of the fact that I lost a pregnancy, a baby who will never exist anywhere but in my heart. I did name her (I instantly and always thought of the pregnancy as a girl), but I haven't shared that name with anyone except my husband, and I don't plan to. It's too personal, and I feel that given the early nature of the loss (and the whole "at least there was never really a baby there" thing) that naming the baby would be judged. And given the fact that I'm a pretty open/public person with my emotions, I think her name is one thing I will keep for myself.
Tue, 2009-10-20 21:39
This paragraph is so good, it should be posted here twice:
This is what I tell newly bereaved parents. And I also tell them something a wise woman once told me. "The journey to healing begins with the thousandth telling. Talk." And for those who want to know what they can do to help their friends who have lost children through miscarriage or other tragedies, I tell them this: Listen. Acknowledge their loss. Do not flinch from their anger, their grief, their sadness. Do not try to fix it. They don't want to hear that it was meant to be, they don't want another child, they want the child they lost. Listen. It is the hardest thing in the world to do, because we want to fix everything all better so they won't hurt. But the only way to do that is to Listen. Let them talk. Encourage them, but don't pressure them. If they named their baby, use the name unflinchingly. Don't be afraid you will make us sad, we're already sad, and your honest understanding, your willingness to listen, to mention our lostling, will help more than you can imagine. You are validating and acknowledging their existence in our lives, our family and our world.
Tue, 2009-10-20 09:21
Having dealt with my 5th miscarriage in a row last month, this topic is close to my heart. My first loss was a second trimester one, a little boy, and it shattered my world. The four since have all been from 5-9 weeks but were hard to deal with none the less. Thanks for getting people talking about this.
Tue, 2009-10-20 07:59
Its amazing how widespread this topic is when there isn't a lot spoken of it out in the world.
I lost my 3rd child on Aug. 4th. On Aug. 7th I gave birth to this tiny (12 weeks) little bean in my home. A little bean that I would have been able to love and raise.
Unfortunately, in the midst of grieving I also suffered some complications and ended up almost losing my life in addition to my childs. I would be lying if I didn't say that there was a point when I wanted to succumb and just go and meet my child in heaven; but then I saw the faces of my two beautiful living children and that kicked in the urgency to fight. I knew that my baby wouldn't want me to leave behind his/her brother and sister to be with them. And so I fought and eventually went home to hug my children and tell them about a beautiful angel that will for ever be watching over them.
As it stands now, my husband and I haven't decided if we will try for another child. This one was a bit of a surprise and then to lose such a great surprise so suddenly is hard to fathom.
I'm STILL dealing with this. There is not a moment of the day that I think about my child that could have been. Like Megan, I have blamed myself repeatedly. I realize that a million things need to go right during a pregnancy and only one needs to go wrong to lose it.
The best advice I can give if you are going through this is find someone to talk to. Whether it is you best friend or a counselor. And don't feel the need to validate your feelings. They ARE your feelings, that's enough to validate them.
I could go on and on about this, and I do on my blog www.madhattermom.com including a post on "What Not to Say" to someone who is going through this.
God bless to all of you and your sweet angels.
Mon, 2009-10-19 21:22
On Friday the 13 of February this year my husband and I went in for an ultrasound and the technician found that our baby had fluid in it’s body and she said it was very likely that it would not live throughout the end of our pregnancy. It was too early for her to tell what exactly was going on, but she just kept saying it was very bad. I was 12 weeks into the pregnancy, thinking that I made it through the first trimester and I was “safe“. After talking to our doctor and thinking it over, we decided to terminate the pregnancy, we told those who knew that we had a miscarriage.
I am so sad and feel so alone. I haven’t sought out support groups online, but read dooce.com regularly and when I saw this momversation I couldn’t wait to watch and read all these other stories. I am so sorry to everyone who has gone through this. I knew how common it was for pregnancies to end in miscarriages, but you still don’t really think it’s going to happen to you and then it turns out to be so devastating. I know a few other women who have gone through this, but they have other children and have reached the other side where they can say to me that this pain is worth it to try again. Getting pregnant again helped them get over it. I just feel so lost and confused, I don’t feel ready to try again.
A co-worker announced her pregnancy shortly after our loss and so many of my friends have had babies recently and my email box is filled with baby photos. I feel like I can’t talk to them about what I’m feeling. I know they care about me, but they just ask when I’ll start trying again and I just feel like I can't share my true feelings of sadness with them. Especially now that it's been so long, everyone expects me to get over it and move on.
I am anxious about Christmas as we found out we were pregnant after a year of trying right before Christmas last year. We were so excited and all though the holidays I kept thinking about how we would have our baby with us for the next Christmas. It felt so magical, like a dream come true. Now the pregnancy is almost like a dream. I only knew I was pregnant for a short time, but it’s amazing how much you get excited for and how painful it is after the loss.
Mon, 2009-10-19 21:12
It has been just over a year since my miscarriage. I found in that experience this odd, secret and supportive "club" of women that had been through this experience. I had no idea before, but leaned on them heavily in the aftermath. Since, I've become one of the members that is out there supporting my friends and family that have joined the club more recently. It is a sad duty, but a close bond to the other women in this club no one wants to join.
I'm now in a tricky spot though. I miss my child I never knew, but had she lived I wouldn't have the daughter I now snuggle as she was conceived just two months later. I know that in my mind and love my little girl, but the missing child will always be part of our story and a little bit of sadness just as my mother still mourns her miscarriages 20+ years later and my friends still mourn theirs of the last year or so. Thank you for talking about it and for being part of our club. It is a painful one, but better together.
Mon, 2009-10-19 17:37
My experience is a bit different I suppose.
In 1997, I gave birth to a beautiful, healthy baby boy. Rhys was 8lbs 6oz and fully 22 inches long. And he died, four days after his birth. We didn't know that his heart was so severely malformed that the doctors were astounded he lived so long and showed no cardiac symptoms. None. I had to bury my son. And somehow I had to keep living. Without him. And I did. My family was useless, and my husband and I grieved very differently, but that was okay. We could deal with that.
In September of 1998 I got pregnant again. Date of conception was right around our anniversary. And the due date was MY birthday. And I lost the pregnancy. It stopped developing at around five weeks, and only the placenta was keeping me pregnant. Blighted ovum. At right around eight weeks is when we had the ultrasound and the bloodwork and the confirmation. My poor husband wanted me to wait...and see. I wanted it gone. I didn't want to feel pregnant anymore when nothing would come of it. There was no hope; as usual when the doctor said "That's what it looks like to me," in response to my, "Is it a blighted ovum?" instead of hearing, "Yes in my medical, obstetrical opinion, with the ultrasounds and the bloodwork, this is what it is." he heard, "Well maybe it is, and maybe it isn't."
I had a therapeutic abortion, because I did not want to wait for nature to take its course...my body does not like to let go of pregnancies.
I was SO relieved. I was SO relieved that it didn't hurt like losing Rhys did. I was sad, disappointed, but relieved as well. I basically ignored the grief of losing the pregnancy, the possibility for a good few months, and then it kicked my ass. I don't recommend this course for anyone.
But I don't grieve for my miscarriage. And there is a reason for that, and as I said...my experience is a bit different, and not just because I lost a full term, post-natal baby. My miscarried pregnancy was due on my birthday, May 31st. And THAT is when I got pregnant with my daughter...May 31, 1999. And I know the date because after Rhys died I experienced the added grief of secondary infertility. I was SO fertile with Rhys that I got pregnant TWO days after stopping the pill. TWO DAYS. After he died my body turned against me.
So both the miscarriage and my daughter's pregnancies were well planned. I didn't do invitro, or AI, but I did take clomid, knew when I ovulated and when we did the deed.
I found, that for me, my daughter came to me twice. The first time, she couldn't come because the body she should have had was broken. So she waited and the second time she came home.
I've counseled alot of mothers and fathers who have gone through the horror of miscarriage. And when they hear my story, they IMMEDIATELY downplay their own pain. And I just don't accept that. Miscarriage is a loss. It is a horrible, arbitrary, unfair, devastating loss. Just because I see my own experience one way doesn't mean it's the right way for anyone else. And not acknowledging your own grief, as I did not really does a number on you.
When Rhys died, I didn't just lose my son, my first born child, I lost the future. I lost the possibilities of his life. I lost his first smile, his first steps, his first tooth, his first word. I lost my life as it would have been, had my son lived.
Miscarriage is that same loss. You lose the rest of your pregnancy. The kicks, the rolls, the happiness, the impatience of wanting the little freeloader out and into the world so you can hold him or her. You lose all the possibilities of their lives, of your lives as a family. And it is made worse, because of people's attitude.
Death is taboo in our society. No one wants to know how you feel, if it is going to make them uncomfortable. And it is easier to ignore the existence of someone who was never "born." (Believe me, I get enough of denial from people that Rhys ever existed, and he was full term and lived for four days. People do NOT want to hear about your grief.) It's easier to say, "Oh, it's better this way," or "Something was probably wrong with it," or my personal favorite, "It was Gods will...and besides, this means you can try again!" Well, I'm not Christian, and children are not replaceable. They are not toys or tables or knickknacks.
This is what I tell newly bereaved parents. And I also tell them something a wise woman once told me. "The journey to healing begins with the thousandth telling. Talk." And for those who want to know what they can do to help their friends who have lost children through miscarriage or other tragedies, I tell them this: Listen. Acknowledge their loss. Do not flinch from their anger, their grief, their sadness. Do not try to fix it. They don't want to hear that it was meant to be, they don't want another child, they want the child they lost. Listen. It is the hardest thing in the world to do, because we want to fix everything all better so they won't hurt. But the only way to do that is to Listen. Let them talk. Encourage them, but don't pressure them. If they named their baby, use the name unflinchingly. Don't be afraid you will make us sad, we're already sad, and your honest understanding, your willingness to listen, to mention our lostling, will help more than you can imagine. You are validating and acknowledging their existence in our lives, our family and our world.
Mon, 2009-10-19 15:11
Oh Talon, I'm so sorry.
I didn't go here because I too delivered a full term baby before things went sideways but we were fortunate enough to bring him home eventually.
My second son came home for a week before going into heart failure. I had been exposed to Coxsackie (Hand, Foot & Mouth) a day or so before he was born, and he didn't get my antibodies in time.
On the night I took him back to the hospital, he just didn't feel right. Too sleepy, not eating enough, breathing rapidly. They sent him to Stanford in a critical care unit while I followed. He stopped breathing there and went on a respirator. The virus destroyed most of his heart muscle. He tried to die a different way each day, from super ventricular tachycardia (300 beats a minute), to arrhythmia (the paddles for newborns are really, really tiny), acidosis, you name it. And they still called him the Old Fat Guy because he was the only full-term baby in the NICU.
Babies rarely survive viral myocarditis, but Dylan did. He came home with a Mohawk, blown veins, acne, and addicted to morphine. You haven't lived until you've watched your baby's withdrawal from and weaning from morphine addiction.
Sadly, all that went on during the weeks he was in an induced coma to keep his heart from giving out put the final nails in the marital coffin. I was so horrified by how my ex and his family reacted that I knew I could never go back to feeling safe, to loving him again. I stayed five more years.
Today, Dylan is one of the brightest kids in his class, has flawless comedic timing, and will either be an engineer, a lawyer, a felon, or all three. This was his gift to me on Sunday: http://themommyblog.net/blog/comments/most-of-the-action-was-in-the-stan...
He was so totally a worthy save.
Tue, 2009-10-20 09:46
Thank you, thank you, thank you for this. This was beautifully described. Thank you for pointing out that listening can be the hardest thing to do, and yet the only thing that can honor this loss.
Tue, 2009-10-20 08:51
I joined today for the chance to comment, this is a really important topic, thank you for being so brave. I have had 4 miscarriages, the earliest at 6wks and the latest at 16wks, all HARD and all DEVASTATING. But there are times when I thank God for them, I am a nurse and I work with children who are born with life threatening disorders, some die soon after birth and some will live longer, but all suffer. When we suffer a miscarriage we picture the loss of a perfectly formed baby but maybe thats not the case, maybe that baby was not meant to be and has been spared. Mindy I am so sorry for what you went through and think you are so very brave and generous to share this experience with your family and other women.
Mon, 2009-10-19 15:05
I wanted to support the panelist who spoke in the vid and also to all the people who have made comments about their experience. It can painful to talk about because it dredges it up again.
When I went through mine ( 15 weeks) I, like Alice also found the internet a source of support. I wasn't blogging yet, but going to various sites where women had talked about it was helpful. I rolled out the news slowly to people I knew. I also got some gnarly medical inattention/advice (thanks Kaiser) and I didn't have a D and C so I hemorrhaged quite badly, went into labor, landed in the ER and had to have a blood transfusion. The emotional and physical experience made me tweaked for a while.
Look like Megan was getting at one ouch of a miscarriage which is things people say. I did a vlog about What Not To Say http://coolmom.com/2008/07/09/miscarriage/ cause there were some doozies. But, it made me more sensitive to other people who go through a loss of any kind. Miscarriage seems to fall in a gray zone of mourning which is partly what makes it tricky for all involved to know how to address it.
Mon, 2009-10-19 14:09
A friend of mine had two miscarriages 20 years ago, and still talks about them. I think she's fueled by anger on the first one: as their car was stopped at the stoplight just before turning into the hospital, an anti-abortion activist shoved one of the typical pamphlets into the driver's side of the car, shouting, "Don't kill your baby!" When they got into the hospital (after her husband ran the red light to prevent a homicide), she was put (alone) in a D&C room with a poster of one of the "hunky" movie stars of the era (I can't remember who; Tom Selleck?) on the ceiling for several hours; to this day, she can't look at the man.
My grandmother had a miscarriage in the 1930s, and she talked about her lost baby into the 1990s.
I don't think it ever goes away.
Mon, 2009-10-19 13:37