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Sometimes you feel like a nut.  Sometimes you don't.  And sometimes a nut can make your face swell up like a balloon.  Yep, today on Momversation, we're talking about food allergies, particularly peanut allergies, and how they have changed the landscape of the school cafeteria.  No longer are PB&Js the staple of an elementary school lunch; in fact, they are banned in a lot of districts.  Has the world gone mad?  What will they ban next?  Giyen Kim of Bacon Is My Enemy asks, "Have food allergies gotten out of hand?"

 

Do you think entire schools should ban peanuts?  Do you know any kids with a severe peanut allergy?  Did you know anyone with that type of allergy when you were growing up?  Or do you think the banning of peanuts is just reactionary... and maybe a little silly?  Join the Momversation by commenting below.

 

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OK, so I was looking for something else, found this by accident, and had to weigh in. Making your daughter eat in the rain - lame. Send her to the principles office and scrub down everything including brushing her teeth afterward. Yes still extreme, but making her eat outside does not fix the problem. The reason that schools go nut free is because they can kill. Sometimes kids are so allergic that if they even smell the nuts it can cause a reaction so severe that the child with the allergy will stop breathing altogether. My son personally was not this allergic, but I caused him to have a severe reaction just by touching his skin after I made a PB&J and had washed my hands. Seriously, I could have killed him, try having that on your conscience as a mom. I just didn't understand it was that big of a deal. So if someone says don't have nuts around my kid - don't roll your eyes and get annoyed, just understand that when they come to pick up their kid at the end of the day - they expect them to be alive. Sounds dramatic, but I will never again give anything to anyone (kid or not) without asking if they have allergies. Just my two cents, but I don't want to be responsible for killing someone else.

Thu, 2009-11-12 18:47

 

This episode is shockingly offensive and inconsiderate to parents of children with a life threatening food allergy. More importantly, you've exhibited lack of respect towards CHILDREN with food allergies. Undoubtedly, food allergies were not so prevalent when we were growing up, that being said, do you think we're making it up? My life would be SO much more convenient if my boys didn't have a life threatening reaction to common foods which causes them to stop breathing!

Many school systems institute a school wide ban not only to protect children in their care, but also to reduce their liability in the event of an accidental ingestion.

Food allergies can be deadly within MINUTES, and lets face it, as moms, we know that children are messy eaters. I'm disgusted I've even wasted this much of my time with this comment, I'll not be tuning in for quips from the moms again, now that I know that being "witty" rates higher on your list of priorities than being at all respectful to your audience....

Tue, 2009-10-06 17:35

 

Imagine you're watching your beautifully little girl play with her best friend in the living room. They're laughing, sunlight streaming and then you notice a red bump on your sweet daughters little face. The red bump quickly turns into a hand print. Her face starts to swell, her eyes narrow slits and barely able to open. You're running for the epi pen and the phone to call 911 knowing she's going to have trouble breathing really soon. And this all can happen in the moments it took you to read this paragraph.

Her little friend just had a peanut butter sandwich and forgot to wash her hands. Yeah, this is extreme. But it's a reality for a lot of moms these days- moms you probably know and think are nuts themselves. It's a private hell we share, worrying and wondering how to protect our children from things so small and so everywhere in our world.

Now imagine a mean girl in high school who wants to embarrass an underclassmen. Why not slip some peanuts into that girls lunch. Maybe she'll throw up or do something really strange. What's the harm? It's no big deal right? Because her mom tells her how ridiculous these rules are anyway...

It sucks. But really, screw you for being so glib about how inconvenient it is for you to not pack your child a sandwich she could clearly enjoy at home. Screw you for whining and making fun of moms and policy which help keep our kids alive. We didn't ask for this allergy and we don't need your bullshit.

Tue, 2009-10-06 14:46

 

My son's school does not currently ban peanuts or other foods containing nuts. I really don't have an opinion either way concerning putting a ban in place. I can certainly understand why it would be beneficial for children with severe allergies.

My son met a little boy when he was in Kindergarten that has a severe nut allergy... a throat swelling shut, certain death type of allergy. This boy's parents did an amazing job educating their son about his allergy. Any time there was a party or event at school that might require him to eat food brought in by other families, the little boy would walk over and ask the adults if any of the foods contained nuts or were made in a factory where nuts were processed. He never just blindly ate food that was handed to him. Three years later, he is still as diligent as ever.

I think the key to keeping kids with allergies safe is for parents to be proactive in talking about it with their children. Children with allergies need to know what questions to ask before taking a bite of someone else's food and understand the consequences of eating something they shouldn't. Children who are allergy-free need to be made aware of what an allergic reaction is and how they can prevent them from happening, simply by not sharing food. I believe education is the key.

Thu, 2009-10-01 13:03

 

I have to agree that Mindy is super calm! I wish I felt that way after seeing the video.

We have a 5 year old with severe nut allergies and after seeing this video it really hit a nerve...
everyday when my child gets on the bus I worry. Every time she is at a birthday party or friends house, I worry. Every time she leaves my site I fear for her safety. Obviously everyone knows about her allergies and she is able to express herself in regards to them too... but I still worry. I worry that some day my daughter may die because she accidently comes in contact with a nut product and no one is close enough to help her immediately.

When I was a kid in the '80's we didn't wear bike helmets but you make your child wear one now. What about seat belts... we didn't always use them... but you sure use them now.

Does this mean that children didn't die or become injured in car or bike accidents? No it means we are now a bit more educated and informed. We take these precautions because our child's safety is so important to us.

I am incredibly thankful that our elementary school is a nut free zone! And this is just one way I help to keep my child safe too.

I worry every single day that my little girl may accidently touch or ingest a nut product and die.

Aren't you glad that you have healthy children? Be thankful and tolerant of others... like you would want us to be if it was your child with the allergy.

Thu, 2009-10-01 11:16

 
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I think that we will discover that there are similar underlying causes for the radical increase in food allergies and the similar huge increase in asthma recently -- probably some mix of unhealthily clean houses (which don't allow kids to "get grubby" and desensitize their immune systems) with environmental toxins of some sort that we're not yet tracking (or can't do much about). It's definitely not an illusion that more kids have these problems, and it's just another thing on our plates (BPA, anybody?) that our mothers didn't worry about.

Tue, 2009-09-29 15:06

 

I just found out I am allergic to gluten. I have never been allergic to any food in all of my 20-something years of life. As soon as they took me off gluten all the medical issues I was having (thinking I was dying) have gone away. I had forgotten what it was like to NOT have a headache. I had forgotten what it was like to not have yucky tummy issues. They did have nut allergies "back in the day". My friend is in his mid 50s and has had food allergies all his life. He is allergic to a million different foods. Nuts and shell fish being two of them. He actually ended up in ICU once due to coming in contact to peanut oil and not knowing it (something had been cooked in it). I forgot and ate a peanutbutter cup in the car with him and he ended up in the ER. Needless to say I felt horrible. I thought he actually had to EAT it to have a reaction. NOPE! So food allergies are very real and very scary.

Mindy: I loved your video.

Tue, 2009-09-29 00:02

 

one thing i was told about allergies when i went in to my dr.s is that if one parent has any kind of allergy the child is more likely to get an allergy, doesn't have to be the same one as the parent tho... my dr. told me this after i made a comment how me and my ex should have never had a kid together, b.c of all of the allergies we have in the family

so to me it makes sense that more people have allergies now than in the past years

Sun, 2009-09-27 12:14

 

There was a book published recently-ish (past year) that dealt with food allergies. It was an interesting read, though it's more of a jumping off point. It's the Unhealthy Truth, and it touches on some interesting things. It's a very quick read (honestly, some of the chapters repeat themselves). If I remember correctly, soybeans and peanuts are related. Around '97 is when genetically modified soybeans were introduced to our foods. Around '97 is when peanut allergies began to sky rocket.

The part I found most interesting is, if you compare US food standards to the UK's, they are completely different. No Yellow No. 5, no R-BST in your milk, etc.

I have a few food sensitivities and foods I won't eat (I'm Jewish, and keep kosher). People rarely care unless it affects them - if my refusal to 'just try' pork keeps them from getting a pepperoni pizza, for instance. Otherwise, people are content with their obliviousness and don't like having it pointed out to them that their choices might affect others. People, in general, also don't like being made to feel guilty for their food choices (even though that's never how the statement "I don't eat bacon," is meant to come across, it's how it's taken.). Anyway, sorry to babble!

Sat, 2009-09-26 12:54

 

Just chiming in one more time here to say:

1) Mindy - loved your video. Can't believe the momversation folks wouldn't include your point of view on this topic! Also, maybe it is just b/c time has passed since the incidents you speak of, but I think you were remarkably calm in addressing these incidents and discussing them. Scary stuff indeed!

2) I'm not disagreeing with the idea that some people of course had food allergies in the 70's (and prior decades). However, to those who have suggested that the rise in food allergies is simply just a rise in awareness or a rise in diagnosis, I would respectfully disagree. I think if you visit some websites of organizations like FAAN (food allergy and anaphylaxis network) or FAI (the food allergy initiative), you will see that the research does not bear out this opinion. Food allergies have actually significantly increased in recent years.

3) Another interesting thing to me when this topic comes up is that all of the parents who say (not necessarily here at momversation, but in other online places) that their children cannot possibly eat anything other than pb (even for the 1 meal a day that's happening at school) were suddenly able to serve something else to their children earlier this year when all of the pb was being considered unsafe by the FDA due to contamination or salmonella, I think it was. I totally get it that young children can be VERY VERY picky when it comes to eating, and getting your child to eat something other than pb may be more than a minor inconvenience. However, I'd like to think it is an inconvenience that I would be willing to accept for the sake of someone else's health if the roles were reversed (and my child were not allergic to nuts).

Fri, 2009-09-25 12:51

 

I have no doubt nut allergies are real. I just wonder where they come from. And there is a comment here that they were happening in the '70's. maybe but, I had no experience with them and that's all I can address is my own experience.

Thu, 2009-09-24 23:50

 

My son only eats peanut butter. He does not give his food to anybody. He has never been told he cannot eat his food.

Thu, 2009-09-24 18:06

 

Well, I honestly think the kinds of kids that had reactions just by being in the same room with nuts probably didn't survive childhood, even in recent decades, because not enough was known about it, and severe reactions to anything are more severe for children. I don't think there are more children with allergies, I think, like many things, it's gotten more media attention and more emphasis is being put on it. There was a kid in my kindergarten class who was allergic to peanuts, and my teacher had to keep this huge needle thing up on a shelf in case he had a reaction. And he did have a really serious reaction, but at home. And I have an (adult) friend who is allergic to every nut she's come into contact with as of right now. Those kids have always been out there, we just didn't know it.

And, there is a point where they have to draw the line. I mean someone is allergic to almost any food, and you can't ban all food, right? But, the reaction that a nut allergy elicits, *especially* in a child, is so very severe, prevention is very important.

Right now, while the causes are still being studied, it's probably easier to ban nuts from anywhere that children frequent than to deal with the death or poor health of a child who is allergic and may not yet know it, or may not yet have had a serious reaction. And really, think about it, this is so much more likely to be a product of parents of allergic kids than of the schools themselves.

Thu, 2009-09-24 13:28

 

I think you guys need to take the time to re-edit this episode and include Mindy's footage. I don't have any kids with food allergies, but peanuts are a matter of life or death for many kids. I think the subject deserves a little more gravity and perspective than you've given it here.

To answer your panelists' question, I don't know why there are more peanut allergies now than there were when we were kids, but if the topic were, say, being able to have loaded AK-47s in the lunch room and why is that such a big deal these days, I think you'd have a closer approximation to how moms of allergic kids feel. I know the panelists were just expressing their point of view and weren't trying to be flippant about the subject, and as a mom who doesn't have kids with allergies I can appreciate their perspective, but I think you need to expand the subject beyond, "what's up with all the allergies?"

Thu, 2009-09-24 04:27

 

Thu, 2009-09-24 05:45

 

Hi Mindy,

Thanks for including your perspective as a mom! It seems like lately I'm hearing a lot of "we didn't worry about that and you kids turned out fine." It's good to hear from someone who has to deal the constant pitfalls, especially when you can't be with your kids 24/7.

On our health and science blog here at Children's Hospital Boston, we've got a video series telling the story of a mom whose oldest son was born allergic to 15 different foods! He's been going through an experimental milk desensitization trial which could actually cure him of his milk allergy. We've seen what it's like for him trying to deal with his allergies and school, and what it's like for his mom trying to plan meals and grocery shop when two of her three kids have severe food allergies.

If you're interested, here's the link to part 1: http://childrenshospitalblog.org/a-cure-for-milk-allergies/

Best,
S.Coldwell

Wed, 2009-09-30 09:15

 

I see you! Great response and lots of good content - especially the point about washing your hands before AND after meals. You're right, nobody thinks to do that. Thanks Mindy.

And where'd you get the shirt? Very cute ;-)

Thu, 2009-09-24 20:58

 

ThinkGeek.com! I heart them so.

Fri, 2009-09-25 07:29

 

Of course food allergies existed when "we" were kids (I think Daphne and I may be similar ages). The panel participants are viewing a completely different era with a modern day lens.

In the 70s nobody talked about health issues like they do now - other kids were oblivious to health issues in their peers - allergic kids were considered "neurotic" and not "really" at risk. Food allergies were simply not taken seriously - and they were often just as life-threatening as the food allergies we hear about now.

In the 70s food allergies were the kid's problem. Kids with food allergies had to police themselves and avoid contamination if possible - eating in the hallway or outside instead of inside the school. Kids self-medicated in the 70s (once inhalers were actually available in the 70s) and did not have the support of the schools. Most kids and families dealing with health issues didn't discuss it because it was not a supportive environment.

Of course I knew kids then with severe allergies - and I know kids (and adults) now with severe allergies - they're not that uncommon, but a lot of parents (then and now) don't feel comfortable sharing that information because there's still so much negativity to deal with.

Two kids I knew died from allergies or Asthma attacks in my childhood - and most of my childhood friends in school had no idea those kids died - they just "went away" - it wasn't discussed, and there was no such thing as grief counseling for peers at school back then.

Thankfully our school and the parents in our neighborhood are supportive, understanding and educated so they can help my kids and all the other kids with food allergies, and nobody seems to think it's "out of control".

Wed, 2009-09-23 21:38

 

Here's a bit of my video from the parent-with-lethally-allergic-child corner:

http://blip.tv/file/get/Momversation-MIndy_User_Comment147.flv

Wed, 2009-09-23 20:50

 

What does one use to view an FLV file?

Sun, 2009-09-27 00:23

 

Mindy - I couldn't view your response video - but I wanted to say - I really wish you got to contribute more to the momversation topics. I would much rather hear from a mom who has experienced many of these issues (allergies, divorce, working, etc) and who can offer information, advice and resources - not just an opinion.

Wed, 2009-09-23 23:10

 

The reason, I think, that you're seeing more schools become altogether Peanut Free is because, according to a book I read (Food Allergies for Dummies) is that a food allergy falls under the Americans with Disabilities Act. This means that the schools aren't allowed to segregate the allergic kids and make them all sit at one table, just like they can't make all the Autistic kids (or whatever) sit at one table away from the other kids.

I think it's also because even extremely intelligent adults that I try to explain the idea of cross-contamination to JUST DON'T GET IT, so trying to explain this to kids or even teenagers probably won't do any good, so it's best just to eliminate the risk.

The increase in severe food allergies isn't all in your head. They don't know why (but living in a 'too clean' environment is commonly blamed) but food allergies (also other allergic diseases, like asthma) are definitely on the rise. Americans eat a lot of peanuts, so it tends to be the #1 severe food allergy in America, whereas in other countries, allergies to their most common ingredients, like sesame are more prevalent.

~Nicole (diagnosed with tree-nut allergy in 2007 at the age of 25)

Wed, 2009-09-23 14:58

 

I really wish you would've included a panelist or guest panelist that is a parent of a child with food allergies. It's an important difference of perspective on this topic.

Also, I think we all need to accept a couple of facts: No one seemed to have these food allergies when we were kids. But lots of kids have them now.

As the parent of a child with multiple food allergies, (even though neither I nor my husband have food allergies), believe me, I am just as baffled as you by the increase. But the fact is that the increase has happened -- some estimates show that peanut allergy alone doubled in the 5 year period between 1997 and 2002.

More research (and funding for research) is needed, so that we can find out why that increase happened, how to stop it, and how to help the kids with allergies (other than by creating nut free zones).

On that note, my allergic daughter is still too young to be in a school setting, so I'm not sure how exactly I feel about nut bans yet. Also, she has multiple allergies, so I wouldn't ever expect all 6 of the things she's allergic to to be banned from a school. (And I hope she outgrows some of these before school!) That said, peanuts are known to more frequently cause such severe reactions. And peanut butter, especially, is so sticky so it stays on little hands and gets on lots of other surfaces. So a peanut ban or peanut free zone makes some sense to me, at least for young children.

It may be hard to find the illusive happy medium on this issue. Just please remember to look at it from someone else's shoes. And then please remember that even when you *think* you're trying to look at it from their perspective, you can still never truly know the anxiety that parents experience when their child's health can be so threatened by something so common and seemingly innocuous as a peanut (or egg, or fish, etc.). It's not fun.

Wed, 2009-09-23 12:48

 

Wed, 2009-09-23 11:56

 

I wish you would have included a mom of a food allergic child in the momversation. You guys sitting around saying "they didn't have allergies when i was a kid!" isn't really helpful. sorry, i love you guys, but it isn't. :)

Food allergies are real, and they are a pain (I have a peanut allergic daughter and it blows). And the parents of food allergic children aren't doing this to you guys to make you miserable. They are trying to keep their child safe. That's all.

Think of it this way. There are parents who send their child to school and all they have to worry about is whether or not their child will make friends, or get a good grade on a test. You worry they'll skin their knee, or not get on the right bus.

That's nothing. Parents of food allergic kids jump every time they see a phone call come in from school because they think their child is having a reaction. They worry that some kid wont wash their hands and they'll get peanut butter all over the jungle gym that will end up inadvertently in their kids mouth and they'll react. They worry that their child will eat something they shouldn't have (mostly foods that aren't obvious - say muffins that might contain nuts or yogurt covered raisins that might have a random peanut in the box) and die. Yes, DIE. Food allergies don't result in just getting itchy. In the case of many allergies, including but not limited to nuts or seafood for example, your throat can close up and you can die. Within minutes if you don't have your epi-pen. Until you've seen your child gasp for breath after eating a seemingly innocent food, you have no idea what we go through.

So you try to prepare for every conceivable situation that may arise when you can't be there to look out for your child. (And anyone who says that a five year old should be able to tell what they can and cannot eat by reading labels needs a punch in the mouth. I know grownups who can't read a label properly.)

That being said, my daughter's school isn't nut free and I haven't asked for a ban. We've come up with precautions that don't affect her classmates AT ALL. Cupcakes in class? no problem, my daughter has a safe treat bag in class. Buffer zones during lunch where noone can sit next to her if they have PBJ in their lunch. You get the idea. But I can understand going to those extreme lengths to ensure a reaction free day too.

BUT having your daughter sit outside in the rain because she had a pbj is lame and was handled very inappropriately. They could have had her sit on the other side of the room of the PA child and cleaned the table thoroughly after lunch.

Enough of my rant/babbling. Just before you guys judge too much, please just try to see the parent's point of view. For you, it might seem black and white. But it's not. If we could, we would trade places with you in a second!

Wed, 2009-09-23 10:53

 

missusp,

I was totally the panelist with a child with a deadly allergy, and there was a production glitch the didn't get my footage into this episode. We're editing it to have as a standalone or video comment. Believe me, I have TONS to say on this side of the issue!

Mindy

Wed, 2009-09-23 15:09

 

I'm SO glad you spoke up, missusp! While my child doesn't deal with any food allergies, I too was quite annoyed by the tone of this episode. They sounded so "whatever" about it, as if schools are overreacting by banning peanut butter.

As you said, it's not to annoy other parents....it's a matter of life or death.

My heart goes out to you and your daughter. I can imagine how difficult it must be.

Hang in there!

Wed, 2009-09-23 12:03

 

I think that if there is a child with a life threatening allergy in a classroom, it is the obvious answer to ban all nuts from that classroom. I have also heard of allergies as severe as the one lady_ariana mentioned. Again, common sense being that the child's life outweighs anything else and nuts should be banned from the entire school in that case.

All of that said, it has been my experience that the Nut Free Zone has always been a sweeping rule involving the entire school whether there is an allergy present or not. My kids have been in large and small classrooms and in classrooms where I know no child suffered from a nut allergy. It would have been fun to send a peanut butter cookie sometimes. I'm sure the school nurse has enough to do but it might be a nice thing, when we fill out those emergency cards at the beginning of the year, for someone to do a little investigating into IF there are any nut allergies and how severe they are.

But yeah, WTF is it with so many more kids having these allergies now?

Wed, 2009-09-23 10:38

 

I think there is safety and precaution, and then there is way too hyperactive. My husband and I are both lethally allergic to shellfish but we still go out to eat. We just tell the server, "If you accidentally feed us shrimp, we will die." Just kidding... no I'm serious... but I say it very nicely.

So now we are banning nuts from the school... what's next? milk? wheat? soy? cheese? I think the real concern lies in what is causing children to become so sensitive to foods? Banning foods from school is not going to get to the real problem. I am beginning to think that the real "allergy" is the preservatives and other additives that are going into foods that used to not exist. Before all of this preservation, there were a handful of kids that had allergies to anything.

Wed, 2009-09-23 09:27

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