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September 08, 2009

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Moms who drink.  "Cocktail moms."  It seems like moms who tip a glass or two have been under the microscope lately due to the tragic case of Diane Schuler and other recent drunk driving cases.  For responsible adults, drinking can be a fun way to relax; it can also be a problem.  So, where's the line between drinking responsibly and drinking too much?  What are the warning signs?  Guest Meredith Sinclair of Hoo-dee-Hoo joins Stefanie Wilder-Taylor author of the blog Baby on Bored and the book It's Not Me, It's You in discussing moms who drink.

 

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Anonymous

Stephanie I am so proud of you for quitting. I need to quit but just can't seem to do it. How were you able to just stop??

Fri, 2010-03-05 08:09

 
Sunshinegirl

My mom has to have a at least 2 BIG drinks of Weller and Diet Coke every night. She says it's for "chronic pain" in her back. My dad doesn't usually drink during the week, but my mom, I don't know. I hate talking to her when she's had a couple, I hate being around her, etc. She's extra lovey and over pronunciates her words, and whether she knows it or not, she slurs a bit. I love her unconditionally, however myself being in treatment centers for alcohol dependence and now 2 years sober, it pisses me off and hurts to see my mom doing this. I wish she would stop. The second to last time I said anything to her about it she cursed me out and slammed the door. The last time, she started making her drinks in jumbo coffee mugs like you get from 7-11, so I "wouldn't know" that she was drinking. She hides her alcohol in a safe in my dad's closet. No drinking around me though - nah, I'm in recovery - she's really good about that, like when we go out to eat. I'm 37 years old, an only child, and don't want to ruin our relationship. I can't be the blach sheep and the white sheep anymore. I just wish she would be honest with me about it, rather than act like it doesn't exist. My dad is, why can't she?

Mon, 2010-02-15 14:43

 

I go in and out of phases all the time, where I will have 1 or two and some times 3 glasses of wine a night. If it goes on for more than a couple of months I start to worry but I go just as often through months without any interest in alcohol whatsoever.
I think it probably varies from person how much is too much and the most important part is staying grounded and self aware so that you are able to recognize when you're off, whether it's about alcohol, food, boundaries etc... it all falls into that same self destructive place if you close your eyes.

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Sat, 2009-12-12 19:39

 

Mon, 2009-11-02 19:03

 

Alcoholics Anonymous' Big Book says “If, when you honestly want to, you find you cannot quit entirely, or if when drinking, you have little control over the amount you take, you are probably alcoholic.”

When I heard that, I knew I was an alcoholic. It described me to a tee! I've been going to meetings and have been sober for a little over eight months now. What a relief it's been!

Tue, 2009-11-03 12:50

 

This is a great topic and I am coming to terms with the fact that I drink too much and need to stop. I had two babies in two years and my life has drastically changed since then. Drinking like I used to (to get drunk) just doesn't work well with two kids and every time I get drunk I spend the next day hating myself and thinking what an awful mother I am. My mom is a recovering alcoholic so I know the warning signs and it's my time to quit. Thanks for being honest, Stefanie. Are you going to AA meetings? What's your secret to 'just stopping'?

Sun, 2009-11-01 09:38

 

I will say this: I drink from time to time, but my days of drinking a lot are long gone. I can actually finish a bottle of wine myself, but I generally don't.

To people who are saying that a drink or two at the end of the day to "wind down" or cope with some stress, I would like to gently suggest they try a different approach. For one or two whole weeks, take the time you would have spent having a drink or two and use it to just vegetate in some other way. Find a way to confront or blow off the stressful situation that does not require alcohol. If you can do that, then go back to interspersing the non-alcohol methods with the once or twice a week drink-treat method.

I am really only comfortable with alcohol as a way to relax and unwind when you're not SUPER stressed out. I guess I worry too much that if we use a chemical to help us calm down or de-stress, it's too easy to come to rely on it. If you're really having that much trouble dealing with the everyday stuff in your life that is stressing you out, you may want to see if you can be prescribed something that can help you cope all the time.

I am okay with drinking socially and keeping it moderate. "Using" alcohol, though, especially when alone, opens doors I am not willing to open. Plus, drinking in the evening before bed can actually mess with the body's ability to sleep efficiently. More often than not, what people need is enough sleep, consistently each night.

Maybe I'm just really laid back and have a fairly stress-free life.

Mon, 2009-09-21 21:38

 

Sorry everyone...I am one who says NO at all times! I am not passing judgement or my values on anyone else. I don't see enough of a reason to drink alcohol ever personally, just all the reasons and statistics why NOT to drink. Yes, my religion I choose to follow asks us not to drink, but also I have seen too much negative that comes from drinking. The most devastating example is my wonderful mom who was an elementary school teacher and was hit by a drunk driver and lost her career, THANKFULLY not her LIFE! I think there might be others ways to relax after a long hard day. If your children know/see you drink, would you advocate it for them or worry that they might experiment a little too early in life? If you choose to drink, hopefully it would be socially and more importantly WISELY! DO NOT EVER DRINK and DRIVE! Designate one person to suffer for the night without their alcohol to save MANY lives! JUST my OPINION! (Oh, and first time responder. Go easy on me please if our going to rip me apart!)

Fri, 2009-09-11 13:32

 

Al-Anon Family Groups---->Hope for Family & Friends of Alcoholics.
http://www.al-anon.alateen.org/

Alcoholism is a disease; it's diagnosable, it's treatable, & it's fatal if left untreated.
http://www.aa.org/

Questions developed by World Health Organization
http://www.aa-uk.org.uk/publications/areyou.htm

It's not about when or how much someone drinks, it's about what happens when the alcohol is taken away. i.e. It's never a problem until one runs out.

Fri, 2009-09-11 12:46

 

I'm not a drink-around-the-house gal, even before I had kids. But, when I go out with my husband, girlfriends, etc., I definitely want my "treat" as Meredith calls it! I love a cold bottle of beer or a nice glass of red (or even a few). But, I think it's an important reminder about moderation. And, definitely about driving, which has been referenced in a few comments. My DH rarely drinks, so I'm usually lined up with a great designated driver.

Thu, 2009-09-10 09:48

 

With DUIs on the rise this is a great topic to discuss.

I think if you can sip on a half glass of wine and leave it, then fine. But drinking can be so insidious and I think we are way too casual about it. It is so socially acceptable that people can become blind to when it is really becoming a problem. I for one can't have just one, so I don't drink. Anymore. I certainly admire those who can drink in moderation.

I wonder though, do we really need to drink every night to "relax"? Can we find other ways of handling stress? If you know you just can't make it through the evening without a few glasses of wine, is that self medicating or throwing a band aid on a deeper issue?

But hey, I know, sometimes a drink is just a drink. "A" drink.

Thu, 2009-09-10 08:06

 

My husband and I drink a glass of wine together each night while we relax and watch TV before bed. I don't think it's a problem at all. I think it's nice to be able to have a social drink, with my loved one while we take it easy.

Thu, 2009-09-10 07:15

 

Like so much in life, self awareness and common sense is the key. With alcohol as with many things you know when there is a problem if you are paying attention. If you can handle drinking in a casual social way then go for it. If not then take a step back and if you need to, get help.

Mon, 2009-09-28 07:02

 

Personally, I don't think having a cocktail or a beer should be part of a nightly routine. I think that just sets you up for it being a crutch. I am not going to put myself in a position for failing like that. There are a million other things I could do to unwind. A cocktail is really not that important.

People are so uncomfortable drawing the line with alcohol. Like it's this untouchable topic. If one of my friends told me that she went out of her way to make sure she got her nightly cocktail, yes I would be concerned. I wouldn't think she was an alcoholic, but I would ask her about the other things going on in her life and if she needed support there.

Thu, 2009-09-10 06:23

 

My mom is a recovering alcoholic. I never experienced her when she was drinking as she quit well before I was born but I did know ALL the warning signs at a pretty young age. She taught me all about alcohol addiction so I was always careful when it came to drinking. That being said I live in Germany and like beer- nothing wrong with that. I also (before the pregnancy) went out with my husband once or twice a month and would get drunk. Neither of us has a problem with going without alcohol, and neither of us drinks for stress relief- there are video games and hanging out with the hubby for that:D

I think I have always been pretty self reflective about my drinking and so would immediately quit if I thought it was taking a hold on me in a way I was uncomfortable with. I think being aware of yourself and your drinking is one of the most important parts when it comes to avoiding addiction and being healthy.

It should be mentioned that beer/alcohol plays a different role in German society. You won't see any picnics/festivals/basically any event without beer and the people who are drinking it- well that is pretty much everybody from grandma to mom to the college kids. I would not like to be a recovering alcoholic here, that's for sure!

Thu, 2009-09-10 00:20

 

I personally have NO problem with parents who have a drink every now and then or heck one everyday. The problem I have is with people who get fall down drunk often.If you are lucky enough to be able to have kids you should want to protect them and when you are fall down drunk a few times a week I personally don't think you can properly protect them and in many cases care for them. I follow a lot of moms on twitter and I can count the number of times some of them have mentioned their kids on one hand but need my hands and the hands of many others to count the number of time they have "drunk tweeted". I admit I have been fall down drunk ONCE and only once. I hated life for two days after that. Wont be doing that again. lol My thing is what are these actions teaching the children involved? Adults can have fun without getting fall down drunk. Kids should know that and be taught that.

Wed, 2009-09-09 23:22

 

Living in the middle of AZ where it is 110 degrees outside by 830 in the morning, a ice cold beer sounds heavenly and grand right about then...

We don't drink a whole lot typically. Its usually 'a treat' as Ms Sinclare was stating; much like you would go to the store and pick up some ice cream to have sundaes some night. It's not like we do it every night, but hey, if we have a hanker for a margarita, we'll go out and get the fixin's, if we don't already have them.

But about that 830 AM beer I am prone to have once in a while, I see no problem whatsoever with that. I drink it much as I would a soda at 830 in the morning. Both are equally as bad in my opinion. The motive behind my having it is not to relax or cope or make it through the day, it's because it sounds good and it's a choice of whatever we have in the fridge at te time-water, ice tea, beer, soda, or whatever. I choose the beer once in a while. No biggy. And I must say that those Bloody Marys on Easter morn while the kids are doing their baskets are great as well.

But these are my opinions regarding the drinking in my household done by myself and my husband. I appreciate the discussion regarding being able to identify if there is a problem or not. I think it's a discussion that should be addressed and presented and I think it could get many parents to recognize a problem if one exists, address it, and become a more competent parent because of it. Thanks for the discussion!

Wed, 2009-09-09 21:16

 

I kind of agree with Daphne that we over-pathologize everything now. To me it's ridiculous to say that if you are questioning whether you should cut back then the answer would automatically be yes. We have so much pressure to be perfect and face so much judgment about everything we do, that of course we are going to question ourselves. It becomes easy to see one drink in the evening, that was initially a social activity or a mild relaxant or just an enjoyable habit become something we have to be secretive about and try to justify by convincing yourself that you need that drink because being a mom or working the job that you do or having a challenging relationship is stressful. I think it is awfully hard to tell, in this kind of environment, if you are truly addicted, or exercising a natural and overwhelming urge to assert your independence and autonomy as a human being.

Moms do have a lot of responsibility and a lot of stress, and there are innumerable ways to handle it with varying levels of effectiveness; some provide added health benefits, while others might have negative side effects. Whatever tools you are using to stay sane, they should be evaluated from time time to see if you are helping or hurting yourself more. Even healthy habits can be taken to extremes which yield unhealthy results. I don't think the issue is really alcohol at all. I think it's women's mental health. And if we de-stigmatized getting help instead of demonizing alcohol we'd probably see less overall drunk mommy stories.

Wed, 2009-09-09 19:18

 

I have a lot of experience with this topic since both of my parents were alcoholics while I was growing up. My dad would start the evening off with a beer, or two, or three! every single weeknight. This was followed by the weekends where he would get plastered Friday and Saturday nights with his buddies, or alone, and then Sunday it would be the great hangover where everyone in our house walked on eggshells all day.

My mom was a mean drunk, and hid vodka bottles all over the house, which of couse I found easily because really a vodka bottle wrapped in a towel in the bathroom drawer isn't all that hard to find. My parents both drank to excess and frankly it messed my brother and I up royally, but on the bright side my brother has never had a drop of alcohol and never plans to, and I drink only on those very rare special occassions, like New Years when they are spending the night at Grandma's.

I did run into an old friend of mine from highschool and we reconnected. Her kids are my kids ages and we met up for a swim playdate. She showed up clearly drunk. It really bothered me that she could be plastered while watching her two kids attempt to swim in the pool, when clearly she should have been stone cold sober in case something should happen to one of them in the water, the she would be able to react quickly to save them. It made me uncomfortable and I was unsure whehter or not to get together with her again.

We met once more at a park at 10 in the morning and once again she showed up drunk. I cannot continue this friendship because I feel like she is endangering her kids by driving around drunk, and I cannot hang out with someone who clearly has a problem drinking. I mean it was 10 a.m.!! I feel bad because I know she needs help, but until they are ready to see that they have a problem no amount of badgering will stop them from drinking. They have to want to do it on their own. I learned this the hard way from my own parents.

Wed, 2009-09-09 19:03

 

I was never really much of a drinker, but have a good friend who had a serious problem with it. She wouldn't drink every night, but when she drank, she drank to get drunk. If she had one drink, she had to have 7 more. It may only be once every week or so, but when she started drinking, she couldn't stop until she was wasted. She told me that for a long time, she never thought she had a problem b/c she didn't drink every day or feel the need to drink every day. She finally realized that was not the case when she woke up at a man's house on morning that she didn't even remember meeting. She was a single mom, and had left her kids at the babysitter's house all night when she was suppose to pick them up after she went out the night previous. After that "episode" she started attending AA meetings and got sober.

All that being said, I think it's a matter of control. If you can drink and know when to stop, know when you've had enough, I don't really see it as a problem. If you start drinking and can't stop until you black out, regardless of how often you may have a drink, there is an issue.

Wed, 2009-09-09 16:34

 

As an Emergency room nurse I get to see the effects of drinking on a almost daily basis. It used to be the inebriated were mostly men, I've seen that change in the last 10 years to 50/50.

I commend you Stephanie on doing this for yourself, children and spouse.

I am not much of a drinker, I'm lucky to have 1-2 glasses of wine a month.

I did find Heather Armstrong to be very dishonest in this interview though. Heather I've read on your blog where you said you were drinking vats of bourbon on a daily basis when Leta was younger. You made it sound like the only time you did excessive drinking was when you got fired. You and your husband glamourize drinking quite frequently like you're college kids, even with your latest trip to L.A.. You're breast feeding you're not drinking, right?

I think drinking in moderation if fine. Too much of anything is bad, period.

Wed, 2009-09-09 15:14

 

I just have to pipe in here, I think you're being unfair to Heather here. Unless you know her personally, but I think you don't. There's a difference between using hyperbole to describe something, and being realistic about. I have doubts she was literally drinking bats of bourbon. This is called exaggeration. Also, it's ok to drink in moderation while breastfeeding.

Wed, 2009-09-09 20:43

 

Bwankel,

I know hyperbole and that she uses it a lot, but she wasn't saying things to tell a tale, it was one of her "I'm coming to Jesus entries" where she talked about drinking way, way too much bourbon, hiding away from Leta and barring herself away from her family. I don't have the time to look it up on her website but it's there. P.s. if she were drinking "bats" of bourbon, I'd pay to see that!

You can have half a glass of wine when you're breast feeding. That's it. I'm a nurse are you trying to tell me that it's okay to consume alcohol and breast feed your baby. And honestly I don't think it's smart to drink at all with all the medications she's taking, prozac and the likes do NOT mix well with alchol. Anti depressant intensify the effects of alchol anyhow.

Wed, 2009-09-09 21:05

 

In the video footage I submitted I talked about how I medicated with bourbon when my daughter was younger, so you have no right to call me dishonest, Patsy. That footage was obviously cut. Yes, I twittered about buying booze on my recent trip to LA as a joke. Because the liquor laws in Utah are ridiculous, and we're always surprised that you can just walk into any grocery store in California and buy a bottle of liquor.

And when my husband I "glamourize drinking" it's usually just commentary on where we live and the history of how we were raised, where if someone sees a bottle of wine in your kitchen, they won't let their kids play with your kids.

Do I have a cocktail or a glass of wine or a bottle of beer while breastfeeding? Yes. Yes I do. Judge away. I've talked to my doctor about it and she sees no problem with it, even with my medications. Because I do it in moderation. But thanks for your concern!

Thu, 2009-09-10 10:49

 

Heather,

Don't you have a say in what is in the final cut? Because honestly it made Stephanie look like the only one on that panel who had a problem. The truth was you did too. I have been a Nurse for nearly 15 years, and for 6 of those years I worked in NICU. I have seen the effects of alcohol in babies, first hand.

Ethanol from alcoholic drinks can move quickly into breast milk from the mother's bloodstream within an hour of ingestion. Depending on the person's metabolism and how much alcohol was consumed over time, it can take two or more hours for the alcohol to leave the mother's system. If a child is breastfeeding during this time, they can receive up to about one fifth of the amount present in the blood. You also have medications in your bloodstream to boost.

If the mom has a dose, the baby gets a dose, it adds up.

Despite receiving far less concentrations than the mother, the alcohol can hit a child harder because they are smaller and their livers are not developed enough to properly metabolize the alcohol. Therefore, the compounds remain in the infant body longer.

Because one doctor said it's okay to drink, that's all it takes? Speak to some others and listen to what they have to say as well. That's what second opinions are for, to offer you other choices. Also why drink at all? Drink when you stop breastfeeding. The baby is worth is, is she not?

Lastly I don't take back the part about your glamorization of drinking, because I think it come across as two middle aged people trying to act like they're still in college, but they're parents. I just looks silly.

Thu, 2009-09-10 11:35

 

Actually, no, I have no say whatsoever in what makes it into the final cut. If you ever read the comments here you'll see many of us defending ourselves against false assumptions because of what does and does not make the final video.

"The truth" about me is hardly something you can speak to, I don't care that you're a nurse and have first-hand experience in a NICU or whatever it is that makes you an expert on how or what I drink. Your whole response is based purely on assumptions about me that are entirely false. I have, in fact, talked to more than one doctor about drinking in moderation while breastfeeding. One of them actually encouraged me to wind down the evening with a glass OR TWO of wine. That is exactly what she said to me. And I have done extensive reading on the subject and feel equipped to make an informed decision and act accordingly.

That you would accuse me of thinking my baby is not worth it is simply disgusting, and I'm not going to justify to you why I might have a Bud Lite with dinner.

And next time you think my husband and I are acting silly, I heartily invite you to feel that much better about yourself.

Thu, 2009-09-10 12:33

 

Sorry I took so long to get back to this, working long hours.

I have recently caught up with some reading of some comments and viewing an episode of The Bonnie Hunt show. You may wonder why this is pertinent to this conversation. Because Bonnie Hunt was a nurse once too. When she gave you good sound advice or suggestions you dismissed it, just like I am. I read the comments and I was not the only one who thought your advice was not funny or informative but instead misleading and scray. I think you've chosen a doctor who will tell you the answer's you want to hear or you're lying to your doctors about the amount you're actually drinking.

It's clear to me that you think of yourself as an expert in everything from vaccainations, PPD, breastfeeding and drinking while breastfeeding amongst many things. You are not.

Mon, 2009-09-14 09:29

 

Heather, that profile photo of you here on Momversation is so appropriate. It makes you look really arrogant and mean, which is how you come off in your writing, both on your blog and on this site.

It's funny how you only make comments on the Momversation videos when someone says anything remotely critical of you, and it's too bad you never choose to participate when the comments are more positive and constructive. Oh well, I guess you're too busy for that.

Thu, 2009-09-10 19:43

 

Sunny, I noticed that EVERY SINGLE ONE of your comments on this site has been negative. Try looking on the bright side of life; it's less stressful.

Fri, 2009-09-11 15:22

 

I don't think it's stressful to express my views.

And why do you call my comments "negative?" Is it simply because I don't buy into all of the inane, self-deprecating, snarky babble like a lot of other moms do? Because I don't enjoy books with titles like "Sippy Cups Aren't for Chardonnay" or "I'd Trade My Husband for a Housekeeper?"

I just don't see the value in all this misery. The message seems to be "Motherhood is so miserable, bring on the vodka." That's ridiculous. How are we portraying ourselves as women? This site turns women into a cartoon caricature of the harried, hapless, hopeless, helpless stay-at-home-mom stereotype. I've had enough, thanks. I'm ready to raise the level of discourse.

Do you really think people who disagree, people who want to look at more than one side of a topic are negative? That doesn't make sense to me.

Fri, 2009-09-11 16:20

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