January 19, 2010
How's your hoo-hah? Your twinkie? Your flower? How's your... vagina? Yep, doesn't quite have the same "cutesy" ring to it. And that's just fine with Daphne Brogdon of Cool Mom who is not a fan for precious nicknames for private parts (is private part a cutesy nickname?), especially when used by moms. Do these nicknames annoy you, and do you think kids should be taught them? Sound off!
Do you use cutesy names for private parts? Do you use them in general or just with your kids? Share them, and join the Momversation by commenting below.
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When my daughter was born, my husband decided he always would handle bathtime, that it would be his "thing" to always do. He soon decided he didn't like to clean her "undercarriage", and that's task he handed over to me.
When she turned 2, she started talking about Daddy's "tail". We knew we had reached the point of him needing his privacy when getting dressed.
Sat, 2010-03-13 06:16
My husband and I were both raised with pretty frank parents, his were medical professionals, mine just roll like that. So in turn we're pretty frank, and what I've noticed is that people will often come to us for advice on those things. We both work with youth and have been able to frankly talk about sex and stuff with the students we work with. The vocabulary you use will dictate your child's attitude toward those subjects. Time and a place, people, maturity is knowing when to call it a va-jay-jay or a vagina or a vulva, for that matter.
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Tue, 2010-03-02 03:51
It's all about the vagina around here. I've Insisted on the proper names purely for reasons of my childrens personal safety. For example, there's no question if a child says "someone touched my vagina" or "my penis" . It means exactly that. No denying. This probably sounds so cold but in this day & age you can never be too careful. My kids are not ashamed or made to feel embarrassed. I have been very honest with them both about their bodies so they know they can & are honest with me.
Sat, 2010-02-27 04:06
I'm sure someone already said this; however, if you're going to use proper names, the correct term for the external female genital area is VULVA. To me it totally blows the purpose of being specific, and making kids know that their genitals are "not dirty" (MY reason for using the correct terms,) to use the wrong dang word!
Wed, 2010-02-24 10:17
Honestly, I just don't see the big deal here. It is called a "synonym," people. I am a 35-year-old woman who has a college degree with two little girls between the ages of 1 and 3. I first heard "va-jay-jay" on Grey's Anatomy and instantly added it to my vocabulary -- for myself, for other wimmin', for my girls -- anyone with girl parts. So it's what we call "vagina" around here -- it's done with zero giggling or shushing or embarrassment.
For those who say it's important for kids to know "vagina" and "penis" in order to report abuse, I'll sure as heck know what it means if one of my girls said that someone touched their va-jay-jay. In fact, my husband is in law enforcement, and I asked him about this. He said that kids are shown anatomically correct drawings and they are asked what they call each part.
But: I do agree that hearing a toddler say "buttocks" would be pretty dang cute ... For the record, we call it "bum." :)
Sat, 2010-02-20 00:22
What are we hoping for with our children? That they will have self-confidence and good self-esteem, right? So, while I prefer the actual anatomical names for parts, which should have no emotional or value judgements attached to them, my parents called my genitals a "cookie." Cutesy, but it did give me a very positive association for a much maligned female part. Cookies smell good, and taste great, especially when still warm. Everybody still with me?
I had sons. My husband feared that our boys would say penis in public, as in "my penis itches." Heaven forbid! I disagreed. He taught them to say "pita." I stuck with my guns on penis. So they learned both names.
Would I have taught a daughter to say vagina? *sigh* probably, but cookie would have been more fun.
Sun, 2010-02-07 16:44
The names I use for privates:
Penis: penis or willy
Vagina: vagina
Breasts: boobies or breasts or boosies or puppies (ha - okay these are mostly to my friends and ex, cause it's funny, not so much to my child)
Names other people I know use that really creep me out:
Penis: doodle, wee-wee, pee-pee, dingleberry
Vagina: fanny, mu-mu, kiki, burger, fat burger,
Creeeeeppyyyyy
Thu, 2010-01-28 05:14
I think "vagina" is a fine general term for the genital area...I realize there are a lot more parts than that...but that is a COMMON use term. Many words have evolved into "common use". And I think it would be just as confusing to get my kid to understand vulva, urethra, inner & out labia, clitoris, clitoral hood, etc, as to get their point across if they had a problem.
In fact, when I went to an urgent care doc after hours b/c I had a bad UTI a few months ago, he asked me, "Where does it hurt?" I guess to just verify that I was having UTI pain versus some other type of gynecological issue. My response, "my urethra". Even a doctor looked at me funny. ...although I wasn't sure what else I should answer. It was a new doc and likely not one I'd have to see again.
Wed, 2010-01-27 11:45
I don't have strong feelings about this, though I do acknowledge that we can't display shame towards our naked bodies/parts and we should not pretend they don't exist. We don't want to set our kids up for potentially devastating situations because we've kept them in the dark. On the other hand, few kids really WANT to be that kid whose parents always told them everything right off the bat. Kids are kids. They like things to be age-appropriate. And if I need to tell my son to get his hand off his penis, and other people are around, I'm sure he'll put me in a really bad nursing home someday if he has memory after memory of me telling him to take his hand off his penis. (For the record, I am not freaked out by his natural self-discovery. I just don't need to witness it in the supermarket, library, school, etc.)
My parents were British. We didn't talk about it. My husband is British. We don't sit around and discuss body parts by any means, but we're not afraid to refer to them as needed. Posteriors are "bums" and my son's penis is his "Bobby." Don't ask me how. It just got named that by my Scots hubby and thus it has remained. The cool thing is that either of us can quickly utter "Lee yer Boabby" (Glasgow accent saying "Leave your Bobby") and the child instantly removes his hand from his penile region with no one around us being any the wiser. And pretty much anything my husband says, with that accent of his, sounds amazing. So there.
My mammaries have never really been discussed by my son. At least not with me. If I recall right. And I'm okay with that. When my step-daughter (13 years old than my son) lived with us, she freely called them boobs and boobies, and I was opposed to that, simply because I thought it sounded trashy, and I was not okay with my very young son picking up on that. I am working on having my son see less of me naked, now that he is six, but if he walks into my room when I am getting dressed, I don't freak out. I simply send him on some errand or ask him to wait for me in the other room so I can have some privacy to finish getting dressed. Hubby handles baths.
Wed, 2010-01-27 01:01
We don't use cutesy names as much as general names. "Private area", "backside" etc., unless we are being specific about a body part. A rectal thermometer is used in the anus but when they fall down, come on! They didn't land THAT specifically. They fell on their backside or as my 3 year old says "Buttocks" (technically a proper term but damn if it isn't cutesy coming out of his mouth).
I find this generalizing more with my daughter. With my sons, their penises and testicles are what they are but there is a lot more going on in a female body. Urine isn't coming out of her vagina and urethra is a pretty tough word for a kid - and truly sounds as stupid to me as some nicknames. My kids know all of the proper names and their function but we occasionally use funny nicknames on a one time basis for comic effect (in the house, not in public. I admit it, I use fart humor to get a laugh from my kids sometimes).
My main goal is to not stutter when I say it. I think that sends more of a message of being embarrassed than just saying whatever you are going to say.
Tue, 2010-01-26 18:08
Calling body parts by their anatomically correct names is an attempt to demystify the body - but let's face it, our bodies ARE a mystery, especially those parts which are considered "private." And those parts, in addition to being mysterious, are also pretty dang funny. Penises and vaginas and breasts and gluteous maximuses are squishy, floppy, hairy and sometimes make funny noises. Pee and poop and farts come out of them. Milk squirts out of our breasts. Yep, that's earthy, all right. How can you NOT give those parts goofy, affectionate nicknames? Anything else is just plain boring.
Tue, 2010-01-26 16:10
I HATE silly names for body parts. Hate them. It's almost embarrassing to hear a kid call a penis a weenie (as my second son picked up from his friend. Grrrrr...) or a vagina a hoo-ha or vajayjay or what-have-you. Makes me cringe and I forbid the kids from doing it. There isn't anything to be embarrassed about with the REAL names.
However, a girl has more than one "part" and doesn't pee from her vagina, so I usually give the kids the correct names for all of the girl equipment and generalize that that entire area for both genders is private and can be referred to in public as "private parts." It makes it easier for others to understand what they are talking about without any confusion.
I do believe that it adds a feeling of shame to talk about the genitals if you make them something silly and flip. I really hope that more parents can put a little bit of effort into considering that. I don't want my kids to ever be afraid to discuss a "word" with me. Just today, my daughter began rhyming and ended up saying "bitty, ditty, titty..." I told her that "titty" isn't really a nice word as it is a word to make fun of breasts. She's 4 and she got it.
Mon, 2010-01-25 19:50
I use proper names for genitals, but not necessarily for breastfeeding. I referred to breastfeeding as 'milk', as in 'do you want milk?' This isn't incorrect, exactly, since milk is what the baby is getting. My daughter came to refer to my breasts as my 'milks', and I didn't bother to correct her. It was, to me, sort of sweet and childish, and I see a big difference between me imposing cutesy names and allowing her to use her own.
And that end was sort of an unfortunate edit, it colored the piece for me in a not-so-good way as a nursing mama. I understand it wasn't your call, though.
Sat, 2010-01-23 23:42
I babysit some little kids and when they started asking me if I had a patookiss (thats how it is pronounced...not sure how to spell it) I wasn't really sure what to say. HECK I didnt even know what it was. Yes it was their penis. What the heck. I wish if parents had a name for something they would tell the babysitter so the babysitter wouldnt be so confused. I guess when they asked me to wipe it it became more clear what it was....but still!
Sat, 2010-01-23 12:45
Interchangeably we use vagina/girl-parts & anus/bottom.
When bathing I might say "make sure to clean your creases", always followed with "your vagina & anus", 'cause I want my daughter to understand the real words for body parts. Case & point, the very first post about "butterfly" as vagina---scary.
She has a habit of saying, "my body" meaning her vagina, so I'll ask her what exactly she means, "your whole body is your body... are you talking about your vagina?"
It's a dicey subject for some. I hope that I can be more & more comfortable with talking about vaginas, labia, anus, perineum, etc. ad nauseum. Because ultimately, I think, we parents should be the ones on a first name basis with our kids' bodies, no one else (save those special medical circumstances).
BTW the medical diagrams on the backside of the door at the OB/GYN are a great conversation starter!
Fri, 2010-01-22 12:22
I always said I would not use "nicknames" for body parts. I thought it would just cause confusion down the line. But last night, while giving my daughter a bath, she wanted to wash herself. She would wash her knee and look at me and I would say, "Yea! You washed your knee! Can you wash your arm?" And she would was her arm. Then she washed her vagina and I could not bring myself to say, "Yea! You washed your vagina!" So I caved and said, "Yea! You washed your pee pee!" Ugh. I guess part of me didn't want my father-in-law to hear me say the word (he was out in the living room), but also part of me is uncomfortable with a toddler saying "vagina." Is that weird? I'm more comfortable with her calling it a "pee pee." "Vagina" is too grown up. It's like I picture her sitting around with all her toddler girl friends, drinking martinis and talking about their "vaginas."
I have issues, I know.
I will however not go off the deepend and call it her "flower" or "peach" or "doodle." That's too much. :-)
Fri, 2010-01-22 07:49
When I was growing up, one of my friends was being molested - for years. She never discussed it with her parents, because they treated "down there" as an unspoken subject. It was a slow process, but this pedophile was the first to introduce her to her body. And the shame of their little secret? Well, it just fit in nicely with how the rest of her family handled her body parts and sexuality. They didn't discuss it. So neither did she.
Obviously, this doesn't happen to all children who's parents aren't talking to their children about their growing bodies, BUT it certainly reveals a loop hole.
Regardless of what you choose to call your child's vagina or penis or anus, they are still body parts, will become a subject of interest, and your kids WILL find SOMEONE to talk to them about it if they sense you are uncomfortable with it.
So shake the awkard off, and talk, talk, talk!!
Eileen.
Fri, 2010-01-22 10:28
I was hurt by the last minute slam of extended breastfeeding. The people editing your episodes should not include off topic single comments without discussion like this.
Fri, 2010-01-22 07:47
When you teach your child euphemisms for the genitals you are giving them a message . . . we really don't want to talk about this! We don't teach children that they have see sees or hear hears. We easily tell them they have eyes and ears! Believe me, young children won't flinch if you tell them they have a penis and a vulva, yes vulva, the vagina is just apart of the female genitals. By giving the genitals accurate names you are giving your child permission to use these words at home and laying the ground work to becoming your child's primary source for sexual health information.
There are lots of resources out there to help parents and children with this issue. The book and video "Bellybuttons Are Navels" have been used for years.
Fri, 2010-01-22 07:01
Info on the health benefits of extended breastfeeding to mothers on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breastfeeding#Long-term_health_effects
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My daughter knows her vagina/labia as her "private area", mommy's breasts (and her little not-yet-breasts, ha) are "boo-boos", and daddy's penis is his "private area" as well (we're totally open about nudity in this household, at least for now, so all of these things are seen around here regularly). Oh, and we usually say "bum" for bottom because it sounds nicer than "butt" or "bottom" to us.
We're expecting another baby and call breastfeeding "boo-boo feeding", as in "Mommy's going to boo-boo feed the new baby just like I did with you! Isn't that cool?" or whatever. However, my hub and I will sometimes use the anatomical names for all of these areas so our daughter is familiar with them and knows that there's nothing wrong with either the words or the body parts / areas. Hearing a three-year-old lisp "vagina!" is actually pretty awesomely cute if one can avoid feeling disturbed by it.
Now to answer stupid with sane -- saying a mother should wean her child simply because the child can "ask for boobie" is ridiculous. Why try to shame women into weaning their children? Latent regret about one's own breastfeeding choices perhaps, or an overpowering fear-based need to conform and try to force others too as well? That was a ditzy comment that has no place in a forum with the ostensible goal of helping mothers make the best choices for themselves and their children.
Extended breastfeeding has been proved to reduce the risk of heart disease and several common types of cancer, help with managing diabetes, lead to bone re-mineralization, and more, and clearly provides nutritional and immune-system benefits to children. So a woman should renounce all of this just because some silly person on the internet is overwhelmed by the fact that a child has learned the word for the area of the body that provides him/her with food, comfort, security, etc.? Nice.
Anyone who thinks another mother's breastfeeding is her business needs to sit down and ask herself "why do I feel this way". If she's honest, she'll find the answers have nothing to do with other women, and everything to do with her own hang-ups.
Fri, 2010-01-22 05:21
I know I already weighed in on this question at Cool Mom, but maybe I can be more clear here.
We never taught our daughter anything but the real names for body parts. The names she came up with as a young still nursing toddler came from and older still nursing toddler. (Okay I confess I never asked Ripley if she wanted to "nurse" or "breastfeed" but I also didn't teach her the word she used before she was a year old which turned out to be "mei-mei's and I also vehemently disagree that a child should not nurse if they're old enough to ask for it. My daughter wasn't even a year old when she could and did ask for mei-mei's.)
She (now at the advanced age of almost 10) does NOT like it when we use any words other than properly anatomical terms for body parts. So of course we LOVE to set her off by calling things what they aren't, but I suspect that's a whole 'nother Momversation. This phenomenon began when she was three or four with other things and progressed to correcting perfect strangers in stores, on the streets and at one memorable time, molesting a poor health food store clerk who had known Rip when she was still a sling baby. (Thank GODS the woman had a sense of humor about being told in an awed voice that her breasts were SO BIG, and then after talking about how different people were made differently, being grabbed by two small hands. I swear I wanted to sink into the floor and die.)
So, while she was very young, Mama's breasts and breastfeeding were "mei-mei's". But heaven help me if I call my own breasts BOOBS.
Anyway. I'm all for proper terms, but you know what? I thought mei-mei's was pretty damned cute, considering she heard it at eight months and didn't speak it until she was ten months old. I also thought the term "Dinner Store" for "restaurant" was pretty cute when she coined it at 3 years old.
And for a LONG time "penis" was her favorite word so there's always a downside.
On the plus side, she could teach a High School class on human biology and reproduction.
Thu, 2010-01-21 15:42
My oldest got into a "penis" phase...Letting everyone know, "My daddy has a penis!" It was awesome.
I taught my first baby a sign for "nurse". I just touched my finger to my cheek. When she was very small I was very deliberate about it...and by the time she was about 7 months, she would do it on her own, or I could do it and no one noticed. My best friend had a baby sister that would crawl up to her mother and ask, "Nur?" ...And she also did it to other women! I didn't want that to happen.
With my second, there was not a sign...she would crawl into my lap and essentially start to motorboat the cleavage...I thought it was funny and silly, but I wouldn't have admitted it at the time. Anywho...later she got older and would come up to me and "nuhnunuhnuh" cuz she wanted to nurse. I don't think I ever said, "Het, let's nurse!" I think she just picked it up from hearing my husband and I. I was also a stay at home mom by this point...so I wasn't out as often with her, there was a lot less nursing in public.
Now they are boobies to both girls...and I swear, even though it's been a year, if I offered, I think my youngest would hop right up & motorboat away. Although, they are confused why they *only* have nipples...but I have both. ;D
Thu, 2010-01-21 21:26
Yeah for Boobies!
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Thu, 2010-01-21 13:59
Great topic - LOVED hearing Heather's list! Hilarious!
An interesting one as I think that sometimes the reason 'cute' names/euphemisms are used is because people find the topic embarrassing or offensive.
But how far would you go to ban cute names? Should we stop using "tummy" for stomach or "bum" for anus? (I bet you've never once asked your kid to wipe their 'anus') Or how about language like "kitty" or "doggy"? Kids just respond to 'cute' names in early language development.
I personally have no problem with using 'cute' names as my kids know the words 'vagina' and 'penis' - they just prefer to use the words other kids and mums here use (in our case, 'noonie' and 'willy' -- we live in London, don't ask!)
I think the issue is that we don't have an acceptable, agreed, universal name (like bum). Should we start a campaign? Let's get people to vote on Heather's list! : )
Thu, 2010-01-21 13:31
I never asked Rip to wipe her anus, but she's asked me for help and used that very word. She never pees, she urinates, and the word poop never passes her lips.
And aside from teaching her proper the proper names for her body parts, I swear we didn't raise her like this!!
I think we could have called her vagina a hoo-hoo-dilly and taught her to call it that from the day she was born, but the first time she read the right word in a book, it would be vagina from there on out. She's just...that way.
Me? I have boobs, I pee and poop, bump uglies, swap spit and have Shark Week. Do I use the right terms? Sure, sometimes. But I have to deal with my colon enough (I have ulcerative colitis) that frankly unless I'm at the doctor's office I've had ENOUGH with the proper terms.
Thu, 2010-01-21 15:48
Wiping tears away after reading "Shark Week."
Wed, 2010-01-27 00:48
We've not really addressed Moanna's body parts yet. Maybe it's time for a vocabulary lesson....
Anyhow, we've never said "this is your vagina/vulva" but she calls it "her other butt." I have no idea where this came from. And, I guess, I don't have the testicles to tell her that no "it's her vagina/vulva."
When it comes down to it, I'm not into the nick names. I think they are weird, and a little porno.
I also think that using nick names may create intimacy issues for these kids in the future. Is that a little too Froid? I just don't see how someone that has been calling their penis a "pee-pee" or "hot dog" their whole life is going to be confident and comfortable when they find themselves in an intimate situation.
Wed, 2010-01-20 16:09
Yeah, I often imagine what some of my friend's kids may be like in 20 or 30 years..."Hey sexy lady, check out my twinkie!"
Personally, I'd be looking for a tastey, spongey treat.
Thu, 2010-01-21 12:42
that's a point. You have the ovaries to do it! It's got to be better than the other butt.
Wed, 2010-01-20 23:56
I say pee pee. I mean he's two. But he's grabbed a my boobs before for whatever reason...and I said like....back up off my boobs. So he knows they're boobs.
And on the boobs topic and just having your kids see you in the buck nude in general...I knew a girl who would have baths with her three year old son. Now... I mean....that's all fine and dandy (though she thought it was gross and awkward to breastfeed...which hey...to each their own). She was also pregnant. And her boobs were getting bigger. And her son said "Mommy, your boobs are getting really big." This is the point where I'm thinking....ummm maybe he's a bit too old to be in the tub with you...you know....cause he can tell your boobs are changing. Just sayin'.
Anyway, I haven't really thought much about names of private parts. But I have said before (like when he tries to come in when I shower) that I need personal time. Or that those are personal parts. But I for sure want my kids to know the proper terms. for reasons that Lou below says. So if there ever was a problem they'd be able to speak it clearly and know the names of their parts.
Wed, 2010-01-20 15:24