February 25, 2009
It's a subject that's as fun as it is easy to discuss: death. It's a fact of life, but it's a fact that is, ultimately, unknowable. And that uncertainty can make it difficult for parents to talk about dying with their children. After all, parents often feel they need to provide their kids with definitive answers, and there is no "right" answer about what happens when a person dies. And that can make moms and dads feel helpless or uncomfortable.
Then, there's the grief process. How do parents fully experience the stages of grief when their kids depend on them? And will parental grief cause children be frightened, confused, or upset? How should parents address these topics? Should mothers and fathers talk candidly, or should they speak more vaguely about death and dying? Giyen Kim from Bacon Is My Enemy asks, "How do you broach the topic of death with your children?"
How did you talk to your kids about death? Does religion play a big factor in your discussions? Do you talk about the afterlife? And how does your children react to the subject? You can read our Tips on Talking to Your Kids About Death. You can also join the Momversation by commenting in our community:
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My mom said something to me about death that really stuck with me. She said, "If no one ever died, there wouldn't be space on the planet for babies to be born. Think of how crowded the world would be! And I don't know about you, but I don't want to live in a world without children."
It was a very secular explanation, and yet it made perfect sense to me. So, when I'm sad about someone's death, I think of how grateful I am to live in a world full of babies and children, and it makes it a little less painful.
Also, I was ticked off one time that a friend of mine died at 29, while my cranky old bat of a grandmother will probably live to be a hundred and twelve. "It's not fair!" I cried. "Well, if we all lived the same amount of time, that would be fair, right?" "Yeah," I sniffed. "But," Mom said, "Think about how different your life would be if you knew that you had 75 years exactly. Think about how that would change your choices. Do you think it would change them for better or worse?" I realized, then, that it wouldn't be better if the universe were fair, and everyone got a set amount of time to live. People would be creeps to each other, then start asking each others' forgiveness when they were 74 and 3/4. Again, secular, and it really helped.
I'm sorry for your loss, Giyen. (and sorry for calling you Kim earlier, not sure where my head was!)
Amy @ http://prettybabies.blogspot.com
Wed, 2009-02-25 13:46
Amy, thanks so much. I really appreciate it.
And thanks so much for the good laugh. I actually laughed out loud about the 74 3/4 thing. I can imagine if that were the case, Hallmark would have a whole series of greeting cards for that age like: "Sorry for being an a**hole for 74 out of 75 years, please forgive me, I'm dying in a year ..."
Wed, 2009-02-25 22:58
Giyen, I am very sorry for your loss.
Amy, I really do like the what your mother said. It's probably very true that if we all lived an exact amount of time, our choices and the way we treated others probably would be alot different (and sometimes not for the better).
We have been lucky enough to not have lost anyone in my family in quite some time (at least since Kaleb was born). I'm not quite sure how I'll explain to Kaleb the concept of death and grief when that time comes.
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Thu, 2009-02-26 07:45
My son is only one, but we pray every night. His bedtime prayer, you know the one that begins, "Now I lay me own to sleep..." is all about death. It's a total primer for future conversations about death and the afterlife. I imagine when he starts to ask questions, I'll ask him first what he thinks happens when someone dies and what he thinks about heaven. I won't lie to him, but I'll let him hold on to his own whimsical ideas about what death is and what happens after during his early years to preserve some of his innocence. I'm planning to do the same about Santa and the Easter Bunny and Jesus (not to put J.C. on the same level as Santa and E.B., but to a child, they're all imaginary at first). He'll have plenty of time to learn the hard facts.
They're only kids for a few years, you know? Shouldn't they be the most carefree?
Quel @ http://www.homegirl.typepad.com
Wed, 2009-02-25 08:58
sorry for your loss, Given!! i wish i had something riveting and profound to say, but all i can offer is a virtual hug, and encourage you to eat copious amount of bacon or cheesecake or whatever else makes you feel better when you're down. F the diet!! again, muy condolences. sucks.
Wed, 2009-02-25 12:57
Sadly, I didn't feel like eating or even getting out of bed for a bit there. Now that I am feeling better, bacon is calling and I am trying hard not to pick up.
Wed, 2009-02-25 23:00
My Mom (lung) and MIL (ovarian) were diagnosed with cancer 3 months apart in 2001. My MIL passed away 18 months later when my daughters were 4 and 5.5. At first we only told them that Nonna was sick but as they watched her slowly decline, they really pulled away from her and didn't want to spend much time with her UNTIL we told them what was happening. Once they understood that Nonna had cancer and that she was going to die and soon, they were no longer scared of the changes and started laying in bed with her and rubbing her feet and back - well at least for the 17 seconds they would sit still. We allowed them to be a part of the grieving process. They understood that we were sad and that it was ok for them to be sad and even angry. I have to say they were champs through the whole process.
Since then we have lost both of their great-grandfathers, great-uncle and Grandma. They understand the process, they don't like it but they understand that dying is a part of the life cycle. It is horrible and it sucks but we can't change it. We grieve and cry and that is OK.
Just a few weeks ago my now 11 yr old wanted to talk about her grandmothers and how much she missed them and how sad she is that her baby sister, who was born 8wks before my Mom died, will never know them. We talked about stories that she remembered and ones she didn't. She talked about how fun they were and how she always felt loved. She is determined that her baby sister will know how much her grandma's would have loved her.
As an aside, my older brother did not want his kids to attend my Mom's funeral because it would be too sad. The kids were 17, 14, 13 and 10 and I was very upset with him. Yes it was sad but she was their grandma and she loved them to pieces. They stayed home with their Mom but that is a whole other story.
So from my little corner, I think it is very important to talk about death and to be as honest as your kids can handle. Kids are far stronger than I think we ever give them credit forl.
Wed, 2009-02-25 18:38
This is kind of a timely topic for me and my daughter. Tuesday, March 3rd, will be the 2 year anniversary of my husband passing (from brain cancer). My daughter was 3 at the time and very close to her father.
I was honest about what happened to her dad. I was honest about what I felt. I was honest in letting her know I didn't know why he got sick with cancer. Now, 2 years later we are comfortable talking about his death.
What I feel is still difficult is getting her to talk about how she feels. We attend a support group for kids ages 5-8 who have lost someone close. She enjoys the group, but tells me that she always passes when it's her turn to talk. While she mentions that she misses her day everyday, she won't go any further with her feelings. I'm just giving her time to come around and letting her know that I will be available when she is ready to talk.
Wed, 2009-02-25 19:16
She is definitely an old soul already and I swear she has been here before. I feel that she comforts me sometimes more than I do for her.
She was never one for wanting to hold onto helium balloons so whenever she gets one now she lets it go as a gift to her daddy. It lets him know where we have been; and if there is no message on the balloon we'll write our own to let him know we are doing ok.
I know that I am still not ok with going to the cemetery to visit his niche and we have only visited one time since we interred him. Instead we look at old pictures together and share our memories when the spirit moves us. I haven't done anything that regularly celebrates him, but I think in everything that we do we are thinking of him.
Thu, 2009-02-26 02:12
Big hugs. My mother died when I was 7. I would like to say that almost 30 years later I am used to it, but I'm not. It just is something you learn to live with.
Your daughter will talk eventually, I started talking about it when I was a teen when I had a better grasp on the impact that it had and knew how to articulate what I was feeling. Then again, I didn't have a support group either. There are a lot more resources regarding grieving than in the 80's. It sounds like you are doing all the right things.
Wed, 2009-02-25 23:06
Giyen, *hugs* to you too as well. I can't even imagine losing a parent at any age, but especially at such young ages.
She is so much like her dad; she has this amazing artistic talent and wild fashion flair like he did. She is also very reserved like him. I'm sure she has all these thoughts milling around inside her head and is just too young to convey them. When she does cry about it I let her know that it's ok to have these feelings and I'll just sit with her; ready to listen to anything that she has to say. I just hope that when she does open up I'll be able to be the comfort that she is looking for/needs.
Thu, 2009-02-26 02:21
You are hilarious. : ) Perhaps we could keep going to 888.
Wed, 2009-02-25 23:07
i was halfway thru this video and thinking 'i am so lucky ive never been close to anyone who has died." My great grandma dies several years ago, but she was 105 and no one was surprised - she also spoke spanish only, so i didnt really know her.
my mother came home from the bank while i was watching this and informed me that someone just ran over my cat. I have been in tears for the last hour - i dont think im ready for a thing like death. I cant handle my cat dying, i certainly cannot handle a family member dying -
Wed, 2009-02-25 21:58
First of all, Giyen, I am sorry for your loss. Also, this topic made me a little teary. Death is never an easy one for anyone at any age to cope with, but Stephanie, your story hits home with me too.
March 2nd will mark the 3-year anniversary my partner lost his wife from Colon Cancer. She was 37 years old and only battled the disease for 6 months. They also had a son together, who was 2 and a half when she died.
Now, I never knew her. I only know her through stories and through pictures. While I have taken on the responsibilities of being her son's step-mother, there's not a day that goes by when I look at him and think, "some day, we're going to have to explain how this all happened." All he knows is that she died and is in heaven. Obviously, we're Christians so heaven is relevant to us, but I've been thinking a lot about how to respond when that day comes when he's going to expect a realistic answer.
I've discussed with my partner the things we want to keep in the house as he grows up: the photo albums; some pictures from their travels around the world; certain mementos that his father can explain to him as he gets older. She just lived an incredible life and in a really weird way, I feel like I have been able to embrace her presence. I would never want to take that away from her son. Ever.
With that being said, I look at death a lot differently now. We've decided to show him (her son) how his mom lived her life and why she is not forgettable, and I think that can be applied to all deaths, really. Perhaps if we teach kids why those who pass are not forgettable, some of that fear of death could be eliminated? I also think black should not be the go-to color for funeral attire. Slimming - yes, Happy - no.
Thu, 2009-02-26 00:02
I'm really conflicted about how to deal with this topic as I explain it to my son later, but on a very specific level. The year before he was born, I had a baby girl who was stillborn. I think that I have the obligation to tell him that he had a sister. She had a name and was very much a wanted and loved little person who passed away at birth for reasons that we don't know. How much to tell him, though, and at what age is difficult to determine.
I myself was raised with the knowledge of an older brother who died at birth from Potter's Syndrome. I have no memory of my parents telling me about that fact, just that they talked about him sometimes and there was a photograph on the mantel. We visited his grave once, but it always made my parents so upset to talk about that I didn't bring up the issue of his birth/death.
I want it to be different with my son, but my husband and I just don't talk about our daughter who passed away. We never brought her home, so she didn't have any baby things to keep around the house (I gave back all of the gifts), and I wouldn't want him to see the photos that we have, as they're graphic and not pleasant. I think it's too sad for us, even though I can talk about the absolute shock and sadness of it with crying (it's been 3 years). My mom, twenty-five years later, can't talk about what she went through with my brother yet. I guess it's just different for everyone.
I don't want to scare my son. He was born with a heart defect that's under control right now. We aren't sure why our daughter died, but we suspect it was the same defect (I couldn't stand the thought of an autopsy at the time). I'm thinking of waiting until he's an adult, but I don't know if that's the right thing to do either.
Any advice?
Thu, 2009-02-26 20:01
My daughter (now 5) has been very curious and vocal about death since she was old enough to ask questions about it. Neither my husband nor I are particularly religious, but we've spent a lot of time thinking about how we want to deal with spiritual issues with her. When she was 3, she asked where people are before they are born and after they die, and when we answered "we think they are with God" she said very plainly "that's not the truth". She obviously knew something we didn't!
Like Alice's son, she hasn't had to cope yet with the death of anyone close to her, but has seen it happen to people we know and is very interested in the process, and of course where they "go" after they're gone.
When she was 4, she all of a sudden realized a horse that there is a statue of near us was actually dead (had been for 30 years!) and that she would never get a chance to meet him. She grieved for days, with tears and question after question, and the intensity of her loss felt very similar to what I went through when my grandparents died.
I guess all this just supports the theory that death is part of life, and if we deal with it openly and honestly with our kids, and don't sugarcoat it, it will help them down the road with knowing that loss is something we all have to cope with. As many of you have already said with more eloquence and more wittily than I!!
My condolences, Giyen.
Thu, 2009-02-26 22:10
The news of my daughters' deaths were thrust upon us when police and coroners showed up on the doorstep. My youngest daughter was only 8.
We talk about Jessica and Kelli, almost daily, because I don't want her to feel like she can't mention them to me. We talk about how it hurts to remember them but also we talk about how they made us laugh. She has some of their clothes and belongings.
I am trying to let her know that it's okay to be angry, to be sad, and to be happy going forward. We loved them, but we must move on in our lives. It doesn't mean we've forgotten them. Nor is it easy to heal. We will have bad days.
I'm sure as she gets older and realizes more the finality of death, she will have more questions. I hope I have answers for her.
Fri, 2009-02-27 11:07
I cannot imagine anything worse than the heartbreak of losing a child, let alone two. And having to be open and honest with your child as you yourself grieve.
I'm so sorry for your loss, and pray that while your memories stay strong, the grief for you and your whole family will lessen over time.
Fri, 2009-02-27 14:30
My son is four and we talked to him about death when my grandmother died earlier this year. We talked about how we feel sad because we miss her and that's ok. We talked about how she died because she was very old and her body stopped working, and decided not to talk to him yet about dying of anything other than old age. Even this was hard, he did the math and figured out that we would probably die before him because we're older than he is and he got very sad and scared about that. We read a book with him called "The Fall of Freddie the Leaf" by Leo Buscaglia, it talks about death as a part of life and is reassuring and very beautiful.
Sat, 2009-02-28 09:43
Giyen, my heart goes out for your loss. You expressed so many of the thoughts that went/go through my mind after my father died over a year ago. My daughter is seven and has already asked me not to say the "D" word even in conversation. I insisted on not crying much during that period, so as not to worry her, but if she cried or expressed sadness, I reassured her that I felt the same way. My solution for explaining the grief was not to grieve in front of others, especially her- period. Being the emotional eater I am, I quickly lopped on about forty pounds at least. I can tell you're going through healthy grieving for two reasons; 1. because you brought it to the forum and out into the open with honesty and 2. you're hair looks fantastic. That's a perfect example of healthy behavior.
As a single parent, death is the worst issue of them all. I can often be found on a soap box preaching how awesome a two member family can be, but an issue like this would be considered a 'con' of this type of family unit. There's guilt that goes with being sad, sick, depressed (all the feelings that could potentially keep you in a bed) as a single parent with one child. There are not enough distractions's in a house with two people (one a child) when you're temporarily out of commision, or when 'business as usually' is visibly off. To circumvent that feeling of vulnerability, I do whatever I can to empower my daughter, ie. karate lessons, instilling independent thinking, testing her deductive reasoning, etc.- but it's not just because I want her to have a bright future. For me, it has more to do with survival skills, should she ever have to go it alone for any reason. I monitor myself closely to be sure I'm not over doing it, but I often ask her, "what do you think you should do?" even at seven. The ideal scenario for me would be my daughter having the skills and determination to rent an apartment, drive a car and find a perfect circle of supportive friends by the age of ten, should anything ever happen to me. Since I can't be sure of that, I'm determined to live forever. You're daughter's 14, so you have a leg up as far as I'm concerned! The fact that you're so mindful of what she's seeing in your grief shows me that you're handling it well. And when you finally have that hearty laugh that only comes from a funny movie or a friend on the phone, she'll also see that life goes on. Thank you for sharing and for being such a great example!
Mon, 2009-03-02 14:21
Another really good children's book for helping them deal with their own grief is The Tenth Good Thing About Barney. It's about a boy whose pet dies. (Children's books seldom directly deal with the death of a family member.) I think it's easier to help children grieve and to share your grief with them. Talking about death and what it is, what it means, that's really tough. I think the idea mentioned above about not having the language until one gets a bit older, that's key. Children may not understand the permanence of death or even that the nature of an afterlife is such that it's not a place we can just go and visit (Grandma's new change of address or something). I think there's a conceptual difficulty in imagining the end of living and the irreversibility of it. Children just don't think abstractly, especially at really young ages, and even for an adult, that's just really abstract. But I think it's really important to avoid giving them metaphors to try to make it more concrete -- like when my grandmother died when I was 6 and my mother or somebody made the analogy between death and going to sleep without waking up. Bedtime became terrifying for me.
Mon, 2009-03-09 19:58